New Conference re-alignment thread

[Saulbadguy]

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

and yet you still needed a garbage time TD to pull it close, and an overturned fumble call even Mizzou fans thought was bogus.

It's true, you guys beat us. More to the point - Snyder coached circles around Pinkel.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Bob Stoops has never lost consecutive regular season games.

Originally Posted by Bowser

That really is an incredible stat.

It's the sign of a weak conference.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

It's the sign of a weak conference.

What, the KU/KSU guys weren't annoyed enough for you already?

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by kstater

Views from the bottom of the league.

By DJ's Left Nut

I look forward to your upcoming spinoff: Views from a non AQ conference.

[Saulbadguy]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Bob Stoops has never lost consecutive regular season games.

Good luck with that.

I still think K-State is a product of a whole lot of smoke and mirrors with some excellent coaching and fortunate scheduling, but we'll know for sure by Sunday, won't we?

Best in the Twitter-biz Kim English disagrees.

Englishscope24 Kim English
Time to stop saying #KState football is "Smoke n Mirrors". Snyder has those guys playing disciplined, solid, smash mouth football!

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Bowser

This offense needs a ****ing enema. It's predictable enough as it is the way they run it, but once you put a QB in there that just can't run it, you're hosed.

I don't mind if they use the spread as their base O, but for ****'s sake mix in some pro-set. It's probably my biggest pet peeve of MU right now. Stale offense.

It's like a bizarro West-Coast offense.

Walsh swore by the WC offense because it made the defense cover the entire field, not just 60% of it. They need to account for the flats, the middle, etc...; not just the deep 1/3s.

Well Yost has managed to make the defense account for the flats, the middle, etc...and IGNORE the deep 1/3s. We simply don't attack downfield at all. We run bubble screen after bubble screen after quick out after quick out. We run all these damn high risk, low reward plays. We aren't even sending Egnew into those seems where he can use his size advantage to go up and get a ball or shield off a defender to make the play.

If you're only going to use 1/2 the field, at least use the deep 1/2 and pull the safeties back to help the run game. And that way, on the off chance you do complete a pass, it goes for more than 3 yards.

Instead all we do is make sure that the entire defense can cram itself into a 20 yard area and create congestion everywhere.

It's a poorly designed offense that's being poorly run. But/for the unexpected explosion of Henry Josey, this team would be abysmal. I'm hoping it's just because this O-Line isn't a very good pass-blocking line. I watched a 3rd down play on Saturday where OSU's lineman stood up, hit the LG in the chest, and the LG just went down. Man to man, head up, and the D-Lineman simply knocked the guard to his ass. It was pathetic and I knew by the end of that 2nd drive that the game was over.

I guess the line thing is possible, but it's not a hell of a lot more acceptable. They were supposed to be beyond this point. They were supposed to have depth on the lines by now. It's just disappointing to see how stagnant they've been this season.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You gotta give it to them, they've made changing the subject an absolute art form:



I couldn't make this up.

lol, this is pretty funny.

Thanks for sharing

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

and yet you still needed a garbage time TD to pull it close, and an overturned fumble call even Mizzou fans thought was bogus.

Garbage-time TD? There were more than 5 minutes left on the clock after Mizzou's last TD. That is not garbage time. Cutting it to one possession with plenty of time remaining to kick it deep and not even have to use time outs is not garbage time.

Missouri missed two sub-40 yard field goals in that game and threw a pick that gave ksu the ball at the 15. You were lucky to escape with the win. Just like you'll be lucky to still be in an AQ league in six years.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's like a bizarro West-Coast offense.

Walsh swore by the WC offense because it made the defense cover the entire field, not just 60% of it. They need to account for the flats, the middle, etc...; not just the deep 1/3s.

Well Yost has managed to make the defense account for the flats, the middle, etc...and IGNORE the deep 1/3s. We simply don't attack downfield at all. We run bubble screen after bubble screen after quick out after quick out. We run all these damn high risk, low reward plays. We aren't even sending Egnew into those seems where he can use his size advantage to go up and get a ball or shield off a defender to make the play.

If you're only going to use 1/2 the field, at least use the deep 1/2 and pull the safeties back to help the run game. And that way, on the off chance you do complete a pass, it goes for more than 3 yards.

Instead all we do is make sure that the entire defense can cram itself into a 20 yard area and create congestion everywhere.

It's a poorly designed offense that's being poorly run. But/for the unexpected explosion of Henry Josey, this team would be abysmal. I'm hoping it's just because this O-Line isn't a very good pass-blocking line. I watched a 3rd down play on Saturday where OSU's lineman stood up, hit the LG in the chest, and the LG just went down. Man to man, head up, and the D-Lineman simply knocked the guard to his ass. It was pathetic and I knew by the end of that 2nd drive that the game was over.

I guess the line thing is possible, but it's not a hell of a lot more acceptable. They were supposed to be beyond this point. They were supposed to have depth on the lines by now. It's just disappointing to see how stagnant they've been this season.

They've barely run the bubble screen this season. They've run it so little, I've actually been CALLING for it (never thought I'd ask them to do it MORE).

I agree that Franklin hasn't hit the deep third of the field as well as possible this season. It's been strange, though. When they've run longer routes (which they've done a ton on third down, one of the reasons the conversion percentage is down so much and a staple of Dave Yost's time as OC), Franklin hasn't read/reacted quickly enough. When they've run short stuff, the D has been smothering it.

Need to change up tendencies there.

I am not giving up on Franklin yet. His running ability - though not a Pat White/Brad Smith level - is dangerous enough that teams have to respect him on the zone read (one of the reasons Josey has been so successful).

Throwing the ball, he doesn't make his reads quickly enough and his footwork is sloppy. When his footwork is good, he looks pretty solid throwing the ball. When it's bad, he's pretty awful.

Adjusting to the speed of the college game and improving footwork are both things that are workable.

To me, he's very similar to Zac Robinson at oSu. if they can get bowl eligible this year and he keeps progressing, the offense could really take a jump next season.

Of course, the expiration of the eiligibility of Wes "Runs in Quicksand" Kemp and Brandon "5-8 walk-on who plays because he blocks well" Gerau will mean that they will have to give more PT to Ladamian Washington and Marcus Lucas. Which is a good thing.

[DeezNutz]

I'm going to be surprised if Franklin is behind center next season.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Garbage-time TD? There were more than 5 minutes left on the clock after Mizzou's last TD. That is not garbage time. Cutting it to one possession with plenty of time remaining to kick it deep and not even have to use time outs is not garbage time.

Missouri missed two sub-40 yard field goals in that game and threw a pick that gave ksu the ball at the 15. You were lucky to escape with the win. Just like you'll be lucky to still be in an AQ league in six years.

And if their goddamn fullback doesn't make a 1-handed catch behind his head and rumble for 30 yards on 3rd down (after it damn near got deflected), they're punting back to MU with 2 minutes to drive for a tie after scoring on their last 2 possessions. Throw that ball 100 more times and I'll bet he doesn't catch a single one of them, but oh well.

They won, we lost. I have to live with that. At the same time, MU came out and absolutely gave the first half to K-State w/ the poorest effort I've seen from a collective unit sense the Larry Smith era. They simply didn't come ready to play, coming off a bye week no less. Even with that, MU still had a very good chance to win that game in Manhattan.

But such is life - they got the win. That doesn't mean I have to speak of a team that's incapable of throwing the football in hushed tones. Klein is essentially a slower version of Franklin with even less talent, but Snyder's done a masterful job of hiding his weaknesses and showcasing his strengths.

In other words - smoke and mirrors.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

[Lots of fair points and good commentary that I'll simply concede and note that I'm still annoyed by how poorly this team is starting games and the effort their giving]

Of course, the expiration of the eiligibility of Wes "Runs in Quicksand" Kemp and Brandon "5-8 walk-on who plays because he blocks well" Gerau will mean that they will have to give more PT to Ladamian Washington and Marcus Lucas. Which is a good thing.

Washington's been quite a find. Which is pretty amazing considering how poorly Franklin's thrown downfield this year and how that's clearly Washington's strength.

He wasn't on my radar at all coming into this season but he's really made an impression on me.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Washington's been quite a find. Which is pretty amazing considering how poorly Franklin's thrown downfield this year and how that's clearly Washington's strength.

He wasn't on my radar at all coming into this season but he's really made an impression on me.

He's a great kid, too. Really speedy. Eats up ground on DBs, kind of like Danario Alexander, even though it looks like he's jogging.

Offense will look much different next year. Lucas is probably the next guy at the H position (Egnew/Alexander/Maclin/Rucker). I think he'll be pretty explosive there.

I like Washington on the outside at the X. Moe still in the slot (Y). Eric Waters at the Z (Blocking heavy, short-routes. What Coffman played when on the field with Rucker/Tommy Saunders' poisition).

And hopefully Dorial Green-Beckham to take one of those positions away from whoever he wants. I know the kid has a friendship with and admiration of Danario Alexander, and I think their strategy is to recruit him to play the H position Danario beasted his senior year.

I'd be cool with that. DGB/Washington/Lucas/Moe would be a nice pairing with Franklin/Josey.

[HemiEd]

How about those overturned calls for turnovers?

If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Garbage-time TD? There were more than 5 minutes left on the clock after Mizzou's last TD. That is not garbage time. Cutting it to one possession with plenty of time remaining to kick it deep and not even have to use time outs is not garbage time.

Missouri missed two sub-40 yard field goals in that game and threw a pick that gave ksu the ball at the 15. You were lucky to escape with the win. Just like you'll be lucky to still be in an AQ league in six years.

butthurt!