QB Impressions

[Direckshun]

First glances at several QBs we're going to give a shit about over the next four months. Feel free to set me straight.

DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
6'4", 230 lbs
26-9 TD-INT, 59%, 2925 passing yards

I get a Cutlerian vibe from this guy. Seems to be built like a franchise QB. Powerful arm, some beautiful passes, perfect bodytype. But he is lacking an "it" factor, is he not? He's not a world-beating, overcome-the-odds, particularly spiriting QB. Looks like he could have an okay career in the NFL in which he wins nothing of consequence.

Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
6'3", 220 lbs
30-6 TD-INT, 69%, 3748 passing yards

Well if there was one Andy Reid QB in this entire draft, it's Trubisky, isn't it? Super accurate, doesn't take too many risks with the ball, is very mentally tough and very athletic. He's a slam dunk for the Chiefs to trade up for, if he lasts to the 20s, but in a QB-starved NFL with at least 6 new head coaches looking for their QB, there's no chance he lasts to us.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Isn't he just a redshirt Sophomore this year?

Yeah.

[staylor26]

Darnold is easily the best and the only one I can see being on Mahomes level.

He should probably stay one more year though. For one, he needs it, and for two, who wants to play for the Jets?

Rudolph is the most underrated. I think he could be a solid starter.

[BryanBusby]

Rosen is pretty decent and will be the lock at 1.

I liked Rudolph in the wintet and want to see how he progresses.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I think people really over estimated how ready Darnold is.

He needs more time.

He's improving at a crazy rate

Darnold and Rosen are already good from the pocket. That's a great starting point

[Quesadilla Joe]

Breer on Rudolph...

Spoiler!

It was supposed to be a test against Pitt on Saturday, but Mason Rudolph’s stat line by the end of the first half read this way: 20-for-28, 423 yards, 5 TDs, 0 INT, and a commanding 49-14 lead.

And yet, on the actual tape, some NFL scouts swear there’s still plenty to be desired.

“He’s O.K.,” said one AFC scouting director. “He’s playing in a great, quarterback-friendly offense. Probably has a top 10-caliber group of receivers. Gundy is a great coach and does an outstanding job with that offense. I’m not sold on him as a top guy . . . He’s a decent athlete. He’s tough and runs that offense well. But not sure the video game numbers he’s gonna put up this year will translate to the NFL.”

“He’s got good size,” was the positive an AFC personnel exec found before echoing the sentiment, “but his arm strength is lacking and he’s inconsistent with his accuracy.”

Added an area scout: “Not as good as the media wants everyone to believe; he’s a Day 3 guy. His accuracy isn’t as good as the numbers show—his receivers make a lot of tough catches for him. Arm strength is adequate, not tops. What’s the difference between him and Bryce Petty?”

There have been 12 quarterbacks in major college football history to throw for 5,000 yards in a season, and just three of them—Derek Carr, Patrick Mahomes and David Klingler—went in the first five rounds out of the draft. The other nine? Two sixth-rounders, two seventh-rounders, a ninth-rounder (when that round still existed) and four undrafted free agents.

So what set Carr and Mahomes apart? Simple: traits.

If you come from one of these systems, your traits need to be special because there will be skepticism. Both Mahomes and Carr had unquestionable arm talent, and each carried leadership qualities that made teams believe they had the commitment level needed to transition from those offenses; the latter can only truly be gauged after the prospect leaves campus and enters the pre-draft process.

“At at a minimum, [Rudolph] has to have the arm talent,” the AFC scouting director said. “He might have the mental ability, but we don’t learn that until we get our hands on them after the season.”


Top of the Class

1. Sam Darnold, USC (28-49, 397 yards, 3 TD, 2 INT vs. Texas): One of the interceptions clanged off his receiver’s hands, and a dime that receiver Tyler Vaughns dropped in double overtime would’ve served as the game-winner (before a 43-yard field goal did). All that is to say: Darnold was even better than his numbers showed in an epic win.

2. Josh Rosen, UCLA (34-56, 463, 4 TD, 2 INT vs. Memphis): Rosen’s talent was again on display, but his warts were too. Too often he put the ball in harm’s way, and he wound up paying for it with a fourth-quarter pick that effectively clinched the Tigers’ upset win over the Bruins.

3. Josh Allen, Wyoming (9-24, 64 yards, 0 TD, INT vs. Oregon): The numbers speak for themselves, and this means Allen will finish the regular season 0-2 against FBS opponents, with the QB losing those games by a cumulative score of 73-16 and posting a 0-to-3 TD/INT ratio. Obviously, given that level of competition is an issue on his résumé, you can bet these performances will come up in the spring. And yet, the major takeaway I got from NFL evaluators when I asked around about it: how little help Allen has around him.

Helped Himself

Luke Falk, Washington State: We mentioned last week that Falk’s stock sunk not just because of a benching, but because of how well his backup performed in leading Washington State back from the dead in a win over Boise State. So we have to give Falk his props here, having thrown for 396 yards and six scores on 37-of-49 passing to (a) thrash Oregon State 52-23, and (b) reestablish himself as the guy in Pullman.

Hurt Himself

Lamar Jackson, Louisville: His numbers weren’t horrid, but he stumbled through the first half (8-20, 83 yards; 7 carries, 47 yards) as Louisville fell behind 19-7, at home against Clemson. Then he threw a back-breaker of a pick-six early in the third quarter. That extended Clemson’s lead to 26-7, and furthered doubts about how Jackson plays when the level of competition is amped up.

Breer's first "Big Board"...

Spoiler!

I pulled together a too-early ranking and ran it by couple NFL scouts to tweak. Here’s what we ended up with for a top 10



1. Sam Darnold, QB, USC
2. Derwin James, S, Florida State
3. Arden Key, EDGE, LSU
4. Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
5. Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA
6. Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama
7. Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame
8. Harold Landry, EDGE, Boston College
9. Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU
10. Derrius Guice, RB, LSU

Keep an eye on: Texas OT Connor Williams’s recovery from knee surgery. He might miss the season—he tore his meniscus against USC—and would’ve made this list if not for the injury. Also, Clemson DT Christian Wilkins was the toughest omission (it was between him, Sutton and Guice).

https://www.si.com/2018-nfl-draft-qu...gs-stock-watch

[RunKC]

Mahomes is in a different level than these QB's. I haven't seen as impressive as a showing from these guys as Mahomes vs LSU.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Mahomes is in a different level than these QB's. I haven't seen as impressive as a showing from these guys as Mahomes vs LSU.

As a prospect, I .....eh.... probably not.

Rosen and Darnold are really good prospects. Like really really good.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Mahomes is in a different level than these QB's. I haven't seen as impressive as a showing from these guys as Mahomes vs LSU.

We really planned the invasion and attack for Mahomes in a manner that would make General Patton proud.
Had it not been for that ONE photo of Mahomes and Clark, NO ONE would have had a ****ing clue about what KC was up to until it was too late.

I really REALLY hope that Veach is as advertised and that his work/involvement in the last few drafts will be pinpointed and brought to light so that we can have SOME idea as to how much talent we're actually getting with him.

[OldSchool]

Darnold is a future franchise QB. I assume he's not going to come out for another couple of years though. That means Rosen is your best QB for 2018 draft, and it's not certain if he comes out either. Rosen is really damn good too, but he takes too many chances, IMO.

[BryanBusby]

Rosen doesn't seem to like school.

If gets a 2nd round grade or higher he's gonna leave.

[Quesadilla Joe]

For people who think Mason Rudolph is the "flavor of the month", please learn how to evaluate QB's. He's the real deal guys!

— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) September 20, 2017

[Quesadilla Joe]

From DJ and Bucky Brooks...

Josh Allen poses NFL dilemma; Round 1 look for Mason Rudolph

Spoiler!

How should scouts weigh Josh Allen's production vs. his potential?

That's the dilemma they face in their evaluation of the Wyoming quarterback this season. The 6-foot-5, 233-pound redshirt junior has all of the tools to be a franchise QB, but his play against top competition leaves evaluators wondering if he is a "project" or "player" at the position.

There's no denying his remarkable gifts as an athletic playmaker with a rocket arm and unlimited range. However, Allen struggles with his accuracy and ball placement on intermediate and deep throws. Not to mention, he repeatedly misses the mark on short throws due to sloppy footwork and mechanics inside the pocket.

With Allen also exhibiting poor judgment and ball security under duress, he looks nothing like the highly touted QB1 prospect who dominated the conversation for most of the spring and summer.

Granted, Allen isn't playing with a star-studded cast, but franchise players are expected to raise their teammates' level of play. Fair or not, he hasn't exhibited that quality while struggling through a disappointing start to the 2017 campaign. The Cowboys have been blasted by a pair of Power 5 teams (Iowa and Oregon) in showcase games, which raised doubts about Allen's ability to reverse the fortunes of an NFL franchise searching for a solution at the QB1 position.

Allen's performances against Iowa and Oregon are part of an alarming trend that should prompt evaluators to pause before affixing a big grade next to his name. In three career games against Power 5 competition, Allen has a 50-percent completion rate (48 of 96 for 427 yards) and a 1:8 touchdown-to-interception ratio. In 11 career games against FBS teams with winning records, he has posted a 53.3-percent completion rate with a 15:15 TD-to-INT ratio.

Now, I know the film study outweighs statistics in the evaluation process, but it's hard to ignore those numbers. Elite QB prospects are expected to complete at least 65 percent of their passes without counting the "at-the-line" throws (bubble screens) that inflate the overall percentage. That's why Allen's low numbers and turnover woes against top competition should be a huge problem for evaluators assessing his prospects. He hasn't performed to the level of his talent, and there's no way to know if he will ever reach his ceiling as a player.

With that in mind, the offseason could be critical for determining his value, if he decides to apply for early draft eligibility after this season. That's when teams could get a chance to watch him perform at an all-star game (if he graduates and receives an invitation to the Senior Bowl -- underclassmen can be invited if they have already graduated).

If he does indeed enter the draft and receives that all-star game invite, he will have a chance to play against elite competition with a star-studded supporting cast to help him shine in a pro-style offense that should enhance his skills as an athletic drop-back passer with a big arm. In addition, Allen's superior arm talent could dwarf his competitors when scouts see him throw beside other top QB prospects.

Until it's time for him to make a decision about his future this offseason, Allen must rediscover his mojo and put a few spectacular performances against Mountain West competition on tape to entice scouts to value his potential over his production. -- Bucky Brooks

RUDOLPH HAS LOOK OF FIRST-ROUNDER

I received a text message from a scout earlier this week about one of the top quarterback prospects in the country. No, it wasn't about Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen or Josh Allen. Those three are widely heralded as the top signal-callers in college football. It wasn't about Baker Mayfield, either, although he's off to a fantastic start this fall.

The text was about a different Big 12 QB -- Oklahoma State's Mason Rudolph.

"(He's) a great example of why kids should go back to school" the scout wrote of Rudolph, who could've entered the NFL draft last spring. "Last season, he was a one-read thrower and he struggled with accuracy on underneath throws. This year, he's shown great pocket presence, his accuracy is much improved and he's going through his progressions. I know it's against Tulsa, South Alabama and Pitt, but he's showing me some things I didn't think he had."

I went back and studied Rudolph's Week 3 game against Pittsburgh and I was very impressed. He's firm in the pocket, he's quickly working through his progressions and he was accurate on drive throws as well as touch throws. I love his quick delivery, and he has shown the ability to throw with anticipation. He was a little inconsistent when he was forced off his spot, but he's more mobile than I gave him credit for in my offseason evaluation. He made one poor decision, pre-determining a target (the ball was poorly thrown as well), which resulted in an interception.

Overall, Rudolph had the look of a first-round talent. I'm anxious to see how he plays when the Cowboys face tougher competition, beginning with No. 16 TCU this week. -- Daniel Jeremiah

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...&sf116043404=1

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Darnold is a future franchise QB. I assume he's not going to come out for another couple of years though. That means Rosen is your best QB for 2018 draft, and it's not certain if he comes out either. Rosen is really damn good too, but he takes too many chances, IMO.

If you get graded in the top 5, you have to go. You just do.

Think of guys like Locker, Lienart and Barkley; guys that were going to be top 10 quarterbacks who stuck around. Now Locker's stock only slipped a little bit but he was considered a potential 1.1 in that draft (it's important to remember how badly that class s*******ed). Now he's an outlier because the draft rules changed and he took a $30 million hit by not leaving early, but he also got exposed a bit as a SR.

Leinart was, what, mid-1st when he got drafted? He didn't plummet but he still cost himself money by sticking around.

I just can't think of a good reason for a guy who's universally regarded as a top 3 pick to stay in college. He'll get far more seasoning as a pro, it gets him a step closer to FA and the end of his rookie contract that much sooner and ultimately saves him from the possibility of slipping with a sub-par following season (and then what, he sticks around for ANOTHER free season?)

[BryanBusby]

I think you could argue that he could very well get better quality prepping for another season at SC over being piss-pounded with shit coaching and no weapons in NY.

The Jets haven't been able to develop shit since Chad Pennington.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If you get graded in the top 5, you have to go. You just do.

Think of guys like Locker, Lienart and Barkley; guys that were going to be top 10 quarterbacks who stuck around. Now Locker's stock only slipped a little bit but he was considered a potential 1.1 in that draft (it's important to remember how badly that class s*******ed). Now he's an outlier because the draft rules changed and he took a $30 million hit by not leaving early, but he also got exposed a bit as a SR.

Leinart was, what, mid-1st when he got drafted? He didn't plummet but he still cost himself money by sticking around.

I just can't think of a good reason for a guy who's universally regarded as a top 3 pick to stay in college. He'll get far more seasoning as a pro, it gets him a step closer to FA and the end of his rookie contract that much sooner and ultimately saves him from the possibility of slipping with a sub-par following season (and then what, he sticks around for ANOTHER free season?)

Idk, everything I've read about him seems to point towards him being really dedicated to USC, enough so that he might stick around to try for a championship. Who knows though, people change their minds all of the time.