Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs - Page 44

**Rain Man** · 11:30 AM

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.

Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)

Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.

Teams As Of Post #113:

Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

**Rain Man** · 05-04-2017, 07:37 PM

It'll be interesting to see how the running backs play out. As someone who was desperate for running back help, it was great to see prospects that I liked in nearly every round. I'm not sure if I overpaid with Kamara in the 2nd and Perine in the 3rd, but I was so talent-depleted that I had no choice. But I think there may be some good players coming out of the later rounds.

kccrow · 05-05-2017, 05:09 AM

Had to tweak mine up a bit. Decided to go a bit higher on DE and go OG in 3 instead. Decided to kick Santos to the curb. Went up and got Blair Brown instead at LB. We'll see what happens now in final free agency days. Maybe KC will save my ass and pick up an ILB so I don't have to draft about 4 of them next year.

**Rain Man** · 05-05-2017, 04:19 PM

It may have been dumb for me to draft Caleb Brantley. I have too many defensive tackles and need linebackers badly. But my die is cast. I'll hope he turns into a non-woman-punching star.

**The Franchise** · 05-05-2017, 04:46 PM

I'm hoping to eventually get a ****ing WR since I passed on Hill.

**Rain Man** · 05-07-2017, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I'm hoping to eventually get a ****ing WR since I passed on Hill.

I'm really good or lucky at some positions, and really bad at others. For some reason I can find productive wide receivers, but I can't pick up an outside linebacker to save my life. Granted, I've only invested one second round pick in several years, but it seems like every year I put out a low-round flyer on one and it never pays off.

kccrow · 05-08-2017, 05:27 PM

What do we do in regards to the UDFAs/Camp Invites should they make the cut? Can we add them. I'm really interested in a few players if they make it.

**Rain Man** · 05-08-2017, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

What do we do in regards to the UDFAs/Camp Invites should they make the cut? Can we add them. I'm really interested in a few players if they make it.

Yep, any guys who come in after this point will go on your training camp roster, and then once the Chiefs cut to 53 then we cut to 53.

Once a guy's on your roster, you can also keep him regardless of whether the Chiefs keep him. For example, the Chiefs cut Bowe, but I kept him on my roster for another year because I figured he was a better roster spot than anyone else I had. (Yeah, I know. Bad decision.)

The only guys who are ever forcibly removed from your team are guys who leave the Chiefs in free agency. But recall as well that if you cut a guy, you can never bring him back. For example, I cut Charcandrick West back when he was training camp fodder, so when he came back and caught onto the roster, I couldn't add him.

kccrow · 05-09-2017, 07:57 AM

Thanks Rain Man.

Here's the UDFA list that made it through minicamp and were signed 5/6:

OL Corin Brooks
OL Damien Mama

TE Wyatt Houston

WR Gehrig Dieter
WR Anas Hasic
WR Marcus Kemp
WR Alonzo Moore
WR Tony Stevens

DB Jordan Sterns
DB Devin Chappell
DB J.R. Nelson
DB Ashton Lampkin

**Rain Man** · 05-09-2017, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

Thanks Rain Man.

Here's the UDFA list that made it through minicamp and were signed 5/6:

OL Corin Brooks
OL Damien Mama

TE Wyatt Houston

WR Gehrig Dieter
WR Anas Hasic
WR Marcus Kemp
WR Alonzo Moore
WR Tony Stevens

DB Jordan Sterns
DB Devin Chappell
DB J.R. Nelson
DB Ashton Lampkin

Thanks! We can add all of these guys to our rosters, and I'm pretty sure there's a jewel amongst this group.

**The Franchise** · 05-09-2017, 01:20 PM

Are we able to change our draft at all?

**wazu** · 05-09-2017, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Are we able to change our draft at all?

Unless rules have changed I believe this is allowed until start of training camp.

**The Franchise** · 05-09-2017, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

We accepted all of the Chiefs free agents to our roster for now. I'm sure most of them will be gone when we have to cut down from 90 to 53. It sucked losing Foles and Poe.

We accepted the following trades: Trades A, C and D.

We rejected the following trades: Trade B.

Here was our draft.

Draft
1 (10) Patrick Mahomes II, QB, Texas Tech
2 (59) Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE, Villanova
3 (104) Vince Biegel, OLB, Wisconsin
4 (132) Sean Harlow, OG, Oregon State
4 (139) Marlon Mack, RB, South Florida
5 (183) Ukeme Eligwe, ILB, Georgia Southern
6 (218) Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota
7 (245) Damorea'ea Stringfellow, WR, Ole Miss

Our roster will be in the following post.

Here is my updated draft.

Draft
1 (10) Patrick Mahomes II, QB, Texas Tech
2 (59) Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE, Villanova
3 (104) Vince Biegel, OLB, Wisconsin
4 (132) Jehu Chesson, WR, Michigan
4 (139) Marlon Mack, RB, South Florida
5 (183) Ukeme Eligwe, ILB, Georgia Southern
6 (218) Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota
7 (245) Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss

**Rain Man** · 05-09-2017, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu

Unless rules have changed I believe this is allowed until start of training camp.

Ten days before the start of (Chiefs) training camp is the deadline.

Unless of course you change your draft and pick a Bronco, in which case you're no longer allowed to play.

**wazu** · 05-09-2017, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Ten days before the start of (Chiefs) training camp is the deadline.

Unless of course you change your draft and pick a Bronco, in which case you're no longer allowed to play.

Hey, why penalize somebody for intercepting the Broncos?

kccrow · 05-09-2017, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Thanks! We can add all of these guys to our rosters, and I'm pretty sure there's a jewel amongst this group.

Has to be update per this:
05/09/2017 Khaseem Greene (LB) waived
05/09/2017 Ricky Ali’ifua (DL), Emanuel Byrd (TE), Stanley Jean-Baptiste (CB), Will Monday (P), Devine Redding (RB), Jamari Staples (WR) signed; Vernon Harris (CB), Anas Hasic (WR), Wyatt Houston (TE), Cory Johnson (DL), Will Ratelle (FB), Darrin Reaves (RB), Kelvin Taylor (RB) waived

Here's the update:

UDFA
OL Corin Brooks
OL Damien Mama
RB Devine Redding
TE Emanuel Byrd
WR Jamari Staples
WR Gehrig Dieter
WR Marcus Kemp
WR Alonzo Moore
WR Tony Stevens
DL Ricky Ali'ifua
DB Jordan Sterns
DB Devin Chappell
DB J.R. Nelson
DB Ashton Lampkin

UFA
DB Stanley Jean-Baptist
P Will Monday

03-22-2009, 12:15 AM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1378491 VARSITY	Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years. 1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster. 2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add. 3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing. 4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster. 5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have. 6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post. 6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. 7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players. Original post: You can ignore this now. Spoiler! Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon. The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting. Here's how the game will work. Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.) Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly. Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub". Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285. Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues. Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player. There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap. I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting. So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team. Teams As Of Post #113: Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox) Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333) Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman) Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon) Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover) Duluth Normans (Rain Man) El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz) Fargo Rape (SNR) Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good) Fresno Refugees (Adam) Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter) Hartford Manticores (Crush) Honolulu Craters (Sully) Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu) Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser) Little Rock Reapers (doomy3) Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan) Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis) Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut) Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka) Omaha Streakers (speak24) Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry) Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72) San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog) Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg) Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23) Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts) Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1) Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie) Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk) Worcester Sauce (unothadeal) Added Rules and Reminders: 1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted. 2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in. 3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent. For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259) For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.) You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.) Last edited by Rain Man; 04-25-2024 at 11:30 AM..*
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05-04-2017, 07:37 PM	#646
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1378491 VARSITY	It'll be interesting to see how the running backs play out. As someone who was desperate for running back help, it was great to see prospects that I liked in nearly every round. I'm not sure if I overpaid with Kamara in the 2nd and Perine in the 3rd, but I was so talent-depleted that I had no choice. But I think there may be some good players coming out of the later rounds. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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05-05-2017, 05:09 AM	#647
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $256403	Had to tweak mine up a bit. Decided to go a bit higher on DE and go OG in 3 instead. Decided to kick Santos to the curb. Went up and got Blair Brown instead at LB. We'll see what happens now in final free agency days. Maybe KC will save my ass and pick up an ILB so I don't have to draft about 4 of them next year.
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05-05-2017, 04:19 PM	#648
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1378491 VARSITY	It may have been dumb for me to draft Caleb Brantley. I have too many defensive tackles and need linebackers badly. But my die is cast. I'll hope he turns into a non-woman-punching star. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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05-05-2017, 04:46 PM	#649
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2555047	I'm hoping to eventually get a ****ing WR since I passed on Hill.
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05-08-2017, 05:27 PM	#651
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $256403	What do we do in regards to the UDFAs/Camp Invites should they make the cut? Can we add them. I'm really interested in a few players if they make it.
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05-09-2017, 07:57 AM	#653
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $256403	Thanks Rain Man. Here's the UDFA list that made it through minicamp and were signed 5/6: OL Corin Brooks OL Damien Mama TE Wyatt Houston WR Gehrig Dieter WR Anas Hasic WR Marcus Kemp WR Alonzo Moore WR Tony Stevens DB Jordan Sterns DB Devin Chappell DB J.R. Nelson DB Ashton Lampkin
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05-09-2017, 01:20 PM	#655
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2555047	Are we able to change our draft at all?
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