Chiefs *****The Patrick Mahomes Thread***** - Page 439

Dante84 · 09:40 AM

IT ****ING HAPPENED

OP UPDATE:

Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy!

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-14-2017, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Now I know why I've been drawn to react to penbrook's style. He's the same age as my students.

All things considered, being able to survive CP from age 11 is pretty impressive. Actually more so considering that his opinions have drawn heat, not avoided it. I'm sure if I was 12-15 during the Alex Smith era I would have a soft spot for him as well.

Wuss

**RealSNR** · 08-14-2017, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Now I know why I've been drawn to react to penbrook's style. He's the same age as my students.

All things considered, being able to survive CP from age 11 is pretty impressive. Actually more so considering that his opinions have drawn heat, not avoided it. I'm sure if I was 12-15 during the Alex Smith era I would have a soft spot for him as well.

He's 22.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-14-2017, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR

He's 22.

He's lying.

He's 15 and has mentioned several times that he'll be a "Freshman this year".

Either he's 14/15 or he's 17/18.

Unless he's a moron (duh), he's not a 22 year old Freshman.

KChiefs1 · 08-14-2017, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook

Who uses AOL anymore??

I do!

penbrook · 08-14-2017, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He's lying.

He's 15 and has mentioned several times that he'll be a "Freshman this year".

Either he's 14/15 or he's 17/18.

Unless he's a moron (duh), he's not a 22 year old Freshman.

Wait you actually think I'm 14/15

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-14-2017, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook

Wait you actually think I'm 14/15

Yes.

**jjchieffan** · 08-14-2017, 10:10 PM

You know, all of this discussion has made me think about a rookie quarterback about 10 years ago. He was drafted around the middle of the first round and was supposed to sit a year like Mahomes. I believe that he was even supposed to be the 3rd string quarterback because he was considered to be so green. Then the starter and the backup got injured thrusting him into the lineup on day one. He responded by taking his team to the playoffs and winning 2 games on the road. He has since made it to the AFC championship game 3 times and earned a Superbowl ring and Superbowl MVP. You guys know who I'm talking about. Anyway. I said all of that to say that I wouldn't say that Mahomes would fair as well if he were thrust into the starter role right away. But that he wouldn't necessarily be ruined by doing it either. I see a lot of people polarized one way or the other on this subject. But every player and every situation is different. There's no right or wrong answer here. There are stories of success and stories of failure to support both sides of the argument.

KChiefs1 · 08-14-2017, 10:51 PM

Old article but still a great read on rookie QB's first year.

A great wall of words for the illiterate.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...a-quarterbacks

Top rookie seasons of the Super Bowl era: Quarterbacks

In a series leading up to the 2015 NFL Draft, NFL Media historian Elliot Harrison will rank the five best rookie seasons from the Super Bowl era at each major position group. Previously, Elliot examined wide receivers and defensive linemen; today, he eyes quarterbacks who dazzled as newbies.

TOUGHEST OMISSIONS:
Andrew Luck, Indianapolis Colts, 2012 (54.1 percent completion rate, 4,374 yards, 23 touchdown passes, 18 interceptions).

Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons, 2008 (61.1 percent completion rate, 3,440 yards, 16 touchdown passes, 11 interceptions). (Of course, I'm willing to hear all arguments on the matter.)

5) Greg Cook, Cincinnati Bengals, 1969

Regular-season stats: 53.8 percent completion rate, 1,854 yards, 15 touchdown passes, 11 interceptions, 11 games played (11 starts).

It would be so easy to put Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan or Cam Newton here, but to do that would be to ignore the evolution of the game. In 1969, Cook displayed the natural ability of Luck with the somewhat effortless look of Ryan -- and frankly, as a rookie, Cook was better than both. Future Hall of Fame coach Bill Walsh, who was an assistant in Cincinnati at the time, felt Cook had the potential to be better than any quarterback who had ever laced 'em up. Even some of Cook's 45-year-old numbers bear this out. Cook averaged a regal 9.4 yards per throw; that would have led the league in 2014. His passer rating (88.3) was higher than those of Luck (76.5), Ryan (87.7) or Joe Flacco (80.3) in their respective debut seasons. Sadly, Cook played most of his initial campaign with a torn rotator cuff. Grunting it out like that would ultimately cost the natural his career. After missing the 1970, '71 and '72 seasons, he had a brief return in 1973 -- but there would be no Roy Hobbs-esque finish to his tenure.

4) Robert Griffin III, Washington Redskins, 2012

Regular-season stats: 65.6 percent completion rate, 3,200 passing yards, 20 passing touchdowns, five interceptions, 815 rushing yards, seven rushing touchdowns, 15 games played (15 starts).

I will admit that, in light of his precipitous career decline since, along with the continued excellence of his contemporaries, I almost forgot about the brilliance of RGIII's rookie campaign. In addition to posting a passer rating of 102.4 and leading the league with a sterling 6.8 yards-per-carry mark, the former Baylor standout put Washington on his back and led his team to the playoffs, ultimately taking home the Offensive Rookie of the Year award. Team success is so important when gauging a quarterback; Cam Newton had a wonderful rookie year in 2011, especially statistically (and especially if you had him in fantasy), but that didn't always translate to wins. Luck, meanwhile, did take his squad to the promised land as a rookie, but he also turned the ball over far more often than Griffin (who had seven turnovers to Luck's 23). Unfortunately, an injury sustained late in the season against the Ravens ruined RGIII's effectiveness in the playoffs. Still, no matter what people think of him now, RGIII's debut season was undeniably fantastic.

3) Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks, 2012

Regular-season stats: 64.1 percent completion rate, 3,118 passing yards, 26 passing touchdowns, 10 interceptions, 489 rushing yards, four rushing touchdowns, 16 games played (16 starts).

While Luck and RGIII were dominating the headlines back in 2012, Wilson was simply getting better week by week. In the beginning, he avoided making the plays that hurt Seattle; slowly but surely, he started producing the plays that won games. The contest that immediately comes to mind: a Week 13 showdown with the Bears at Soldier Field, during which Wilson led the Seahawks on a pair of 12-play scoring drives -- the first traveling 97 yards and the second 80 -- to tie the game in regulation, then won it in overtime with a 13-yard touchdown strike to Sidney Rice. The clutch performance jump-started a six-game win streak that carried Seattle to the second round of the playoffs. Wilson -- who seemingly never made the big mistake -- was conservatively effective in the passing game while adding serious punch to the running game on read options. He was both efficient and impactful. What else do you want from a rookie quarterback?

2) Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers, 2004

Regular-season stats: 66.4 percent completion rate, 2,621 yards, 17 touchdown passes, 11 interceptions, 14 games played (13 starts).

If not for a Pittsburgh native, Roethlisberger's rookie campaign would rate as the best ever by a quarterback in the NFL. After relieving Tommy Maddox in Week 2, the kid from Miami of Ohio went 13-0 as a starter. The 11th overall pick in the 2004 draft compiled a noteworthy passer rating of 98.1 -- but more importantly, he showed the football world that a big, strong "pocket" passer could make streetball plays outside of the pocket. Before the Cowboys took on the Steelers that year, legendary head coach Bill Parcells said Roethlisberger was the most impressive rookie quarterback since Dan Marino (the aforementioned Pittsburgh native) -- and that was only in Week 6. Bill Cowher and Co. only asked their rookie phenom to do so much, smartly building a run game around Big Ben that required him to drop back less than 30 times per game, much like the Falcons and Seahawks later did with Ryan and Wilson, respectively. Roethlisberger -- who won the Offensive Rookie of the Year award -- became the first rookie quarterback since the merger to lead his team to the conference championship game.

1) Dan Marino, Miami Dolphins, 1983

Regular-season stats: 58.4 percent completion rate, 2,210 yards, 20 touchdown passes, six interceptions, 11 games played (nine starts).

This shouldn't come as a surprise. Before he turned the football world on its ear in 1984, Marino stunned everyone with his brilliant play as a rookie in 1983. He took over for David Woodley as the starter ahead of a Week 6 loss in Buffalo, although Marino did everything he could to pull that game out, throwing for 322 yards and three touchdowns. He stood tall in the pocket and got rid of the football fast. That made him tough to sack and -- given how quickly he read coverages for such a young passer -- as effective as any veteran in the league. Marino went 7-2 as a starter and made the Pro Bowl as a rookie. Not only did he pass the eye test, he made us all redefine it.

Pre-Super Bowl era: Championship signal-callers

When I think of the top rookie quarterbacks of the pre-Super Bowl era, I think of three guys, each of whom took home a title in their first pro seasons.

Hall of Famer Sammy Baugh -- the crown jewel of the 1937 rookie class -- was the NFL's first prolific passer; he was among the top quarterbacks in the NFL in his first year, which he capped off with 335 yards and three touchdowns in the Washington Redskins' 28-21 win over the Bears in the NFL Championship Game.

Eight years later, Baugh and Co. were beaten in the title contest by rookie Bob Waterfield and the Cleveland Rams. Waterfield, who had the leadership presence of a veteran, wound up entering the Hall in the Class of 1965 -- the same class as fellow former Cleveland signal-caller Otto Graham.

Graham posted a passer rating of 112.1 -- an insanely high figure in those days -- while leading the Browns to an AAFC title in his rookie year of 1946. The Browns were among the three AAFC teams to be assimilated by the NFL for the 1950 season -- joining the Baltimore Colts and San Francisco 49ers -- largely because of the immense success of Graham and his teammates.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-14-2017, 11:36 PM

Thanks for posting a wall words.

NJChiefsFan · 08-15-2017, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook

Wait you actually think I'm 14/15

It would make more sense and actually help your reputation I would think.

bigjosh · 08-15-2017, 08:57 AM

Patrick Mahomes shows off the arm, hits Tyreek Hill down the field in stride. pic.twitter.com/NugAJlzX9x
— Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) August 15, 2017

Sorce · 08-15-2017, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjosh006

Patrick Mahomes shows off the arm, hits Tyreek Hill down the field in stride. pic.twitter.com/NugAJlzX9x
— Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) August 15, 2017

Not really in stride if the receiver has to turn around and catch the ball, otherwise nice throw.

chiefscafan · 08-15-2017, 09:07 AM

I'm really curious if pat mahomes really sits all year. I have a feeling we see him sometime this year.

Chiefnj2 · 08-15-2017, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

I have a feeling we see him sometime this year.

Hope for an 0-5 start.

Reerun_KC · 08-15-2017, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

I'm really curious if pat mahomes really sits all year. I have a feeling we see him sometime this year.

Hoping by week 10 the Alex Smith era is over in KC.

04-27-2017, 07:19 PM
Dante84 Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ATX & OPKS Casino cash: $-208004 VARSITY	***The Patrick Mahomes Thread* IT **ING HAPPENED OP UPDATE: Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! Last edited by Dante84; 05-17-2017 at 09:40 AM..
Posts: 20,105

08-14-2017, 10:10 PM	#6577
jjchieffan Supporter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Highlandville, MO Casino cash: $1652248	You know, all of this discussion has made me think about a rookie quarterback about 10 years ago. He was drafted around the middle of the first round and was supposed to sit a year like Mahomes. I believe that he was even supposed to be the 3rd string quarterback because he was considered to be so green. Then the starter and the backup got injured thrusting him into the lineup on day one. He responded by taking his team to the playoffs and winning 2 games on the road. He has since made it to the AFC championship game 3 times and earned a Superbowl ring and Superbowl MVP. You guys know who I'm talking about. Anyway. I said all of that to say that I wouldn't say that Mahomes would fair as well if he were thrust into the starter role right away. But that he wouldn't necessarily be ruined by doing it either. I see a lot of people polarized one way or the other on this subject. But every player and every situation is different. There's no right or wrong answer here. There are stories of success and stories of failure to support both sides of the argument. __________________ Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth. Following the historical accounts and the genealogy from that point on, the age of the Earth is approximately 6000-7000 years old. The Big Bullshit Theory is a lie. It and the evolution theory go against real science. Satan has used our public school system to brainwash everyone into believing these lies. Be not decieved.
Posts: 12,949

08-14-2017, 10:51 PM	#6578
KChiefs1 I’m a Mahomo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mid-Missouri Casino cash: $6771021	***The Patrick Mahomes Thread*** Old article but still a great read on rookie QB's first year. A great wall of words for the illiterate. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...a-quarterbacks Top rookie seasons of the Super Bowl era: Quarterbacks In a series leading up to the 2015 NFL Draft, NFL Media historian Elliot Harrison will rank the five best rookie seasons from the Super Bowl era at each major position group. Previously, Elliot examined wide receivers and defensive linemen; today, he eyes quarterbacks who dazzled as newbies. TOUGHEST OMISSIONS: Andrew Luck, Indianapolis Colts, 2012 (54.1 percent completion rate, 4,374 yards, 23 touchdown passes, 18 interceptions). Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons, 2008 (61.1 percent completion rate, 3,440 yards, 16 touchdown passes, 11 interceptions). (Of course, I'm willing to hear all arguments on the matter.) 5) Greg Cook, Cincinnati Bengals, 1969 Regular-season stats: 53.8 percent completion rate, 1,854 yards, 15 touchdown passes, 11 interceptions, 11 games played (11 starts). It would be so easy to put Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan or Cam Newton here, but to do that would be to ignore the evolution of the game. In 1969, Cook displayed the natural ability of Luck with the somewhat effortless look of Ryan -- and frankly, as a rookie, Cook was better than both. Future Hall of Fame coach Bill Walsh, who was an assistant in Cincinnati at the time, felt Cook had the potential to be better than any quarterback who had ever laced 'em up. Even some of Cook's 45-year-old numbers bear this out. Cook averaged a regal 9.4 yards per throw; that would have led the league in 2014. His passer rating (88.3) was higher than those of Luck (76.5), Ryan (87.7) or Joe Flacco (80.3) in their respective debut seasons. Sadly, Cook played most of his initial campaign with a torn rotator cuff. Grunting it out like that would ultimately cost the natural his career. After missing the 1970, '71 and '72 seasons, he had a brief return in 1973 -- but there would be no Roy Hobbs-esque finish to his tenure. 4) Robert Griffin III, Washington Redskins, 2012 Regular-season stats: 65.6 percent completion rate, 3,200 passing yards, 20 passing touchdowns, five interceptions, 815 rushing yards, seven rushing touchdowns, 15 games played (15 starts). I will admit that, in light of his precipitous career decline since, along with the continued excellence of his contemporaries, I almost forgot about the brilliance of RGIII's rookie campaign. In addition to posting a passer rating of 102.4 and leading the league with a sterling 6.8 yards-per-carry mark, the former Baylor standout put Washington on his back and led his team to the playoffs, ultimately taking home the Offensive Rookie of the Year award. Team success is so important when gauging a quarterback; Cam Newton had a wonderful rookie year in 2011, especially statistically (and especially if you had him in fantasy), but that didn't always translate to wins. Luck, meanwhile, did take his squad to the promised land as a rookie, but he also turned the ball over far more often than Griffin (who had seven turnovers to Luck's 23). Unfortunately, an injury sustained late in the season against the Ravens ruined RGIII's effectiveness in the playoffs. Still, no matter what people think of him now, RGIII's debut season was undeniably fantastic. 3) Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks, 2012 Regular-season stats: 64.1 percent completion rate, 3,118 passing yards, 26 passing touchdowns, 10 interceptions, 489 rushing yards, four rushing touchdowns, 16 games played (16 starts). While Luck and RGIII were dominating the headlines back in 2012, Wilson was simply getting better week by week. In the beginning, he avoided making the plays that hurt Seattle; slowly but surely, he started producing the plays that won games. The contest that immediately comes to mind: a Week 13 showdown with the Bears at Soldier Field, during which Wilson led the Seahawks on a pair of 12-play scoring drives -- the first traveling 97 yards and the second 80 -- to tie the game in regulation, then won it in overtime with a 13-yard touchdown strike to Sidney Rice. The clutch performance jump-started a six-game win streak that carried Seattle to the second round of the playoffs. Wilson -- who seemingly never made the big mistake -- was conservatively effective in the passing game while adding serious punch to the running game on read options. He was both efficient and impactful. What else do you want from a rookie quarterback? 2) Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers, 2004 Regular-season stats: 66.4 percent completion rate, 2,621 yards, 17 touchdown passes, 11 interceptions, 14 games played (13 starts). If not for a Pittsburgh native, Roethlisberger's rookie campaign would rate as the best ever by a quarterback in the NFL. After relieving Tommy Maddox in Week 2, the kid from Miami of Ohio went 13-0 as a starter. The 11th overall pick in the 2004 draft compiled a noteworthy passer rating of 98.1 -- but more importantly, he showed the football world that a big, strong "pocket" passer could make streetball plays outside of the pocket. Before the Cowboys took on the Steelers that year, legendary head coach Bill Parcells said Roethlisberger was the most impressive rookie quarterback since Dan Marino (the aforementioned Pittsburgh native) -- and that was only in Week 6. Bill Cowher and Co. only asked their rookie phenom to do so much, smartly building a run game around Big Ben that required him to drop back less than 30 times per game, much like the Falcons and Seahawks later did with Ryan and Wilson, respectively. Roethlisberger -- who won the Offensive Rookie of the Year award -- became the first rookie quarterback since the merger to lead his team to the conference championship game. 1) Dan Marino, Miami Dolphins, 1983 Regular-season stats: 58.4 percent completion rate, 2,210 yards, 20 touchdown passes, six interceptions, 11 games played (nine starts). This shouldn't come as a surprise. Before he turned the football world on its ear in 1984, Marino stunned everyone with his brilliant play as a rookie in 1983. He took over for David Woodley as the starter ahead of a Week 6 loss in Buffalo, although Marino did everything he could to pull that game out, throwing for 322 yards and three touchdowns. He stood tall in the pocket and got rid of the football fast. That made him tough to sack and -- given how quickly he read coverages for such a young passer -- as effective as any veteran in the league. Marino went 7-2 as a starter and made the Pro Bowl as a rookie. Not only did he pass the eye test, he made us all redefine it. Pre-Super Bowl era: Championship signal-callers When I think of the top rookie quarterbacks of the pre-Super Bowl era, I think of three guys, each of whom took home a title in their first pro seasons. Hall of Famer Sammy Baugh -- the crown jewel of the 1937 rookie class -- was the NFL's first prolific passer; he was among the top quarterbacks in the NFL in his first year, which he capped off with 335 yards and three touchdowns in the Washington Redskins' 28-21 win over the Bears in the NFL Championship Game. Eight years later, Baugh and Co. were beaten in the title contest by rookie Bob Waterfield and the Cleveland Rams. Waterfield, who had the leadership presence of a veteran, wound up entering the Hall in the Class of 1965 -- the same class as fellow former Cleveland signal-caller Otto Graham. Graham posted a passer rating of 112.1 -- an insanely high figure in those days -- while leading the Browns to an AAFC title in his rookie year of 1946. The Browns were among the three AAFC teams to be assimilated by the NFL for the 1950 season -- joining the Baltimore Colts and San Francisco 49ers -- largely because of the immense success of Graham and his teammates. __________________ Last edited by KChiefs1; 08-15-2017 at 06:28 AM..
Posts: 54,038

08-14-2017, 11:36 PM	#6579
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Thanks for posting a wall words.
Posts: 88,960

08-15-2017, 08:57 AM	#6581
bigjosh Mahomosapien Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: the great white north Casino cash: $-305098	Patrick Mahomes shows off the arm, hits Tyreek Hill down the field in stride. pic.twitter.com/NugAJlzX9x — Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) August 15, 2017
Posts: 6,213

08-15-2017, 09:07 AM	#6583
chiefscafan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: manhattan beach, CA Casino cash: $9688215	I'm really curious if pat mahomes really sits all year. I have a feeling we see him sometime this year.
Posts: 4,425