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**KcMizzou** · 07-08-2010, 08:18 PM

Excited about an upcoming fight? Want to make predictions, or just give people a heads-up that there are some fights on? We can do it here.

(Also a good place to complain, dicuss, and agrue about the outcomes)

Sorter · 06-05-2016, 04:13 PM

**kysirsoze** · 06-05-2016, 04:23 PM

I at the fight last night. My first UFC event. Pretty fun. Much better to watch on TV, but it was cool to be there and see it. The crowd energy was pretty electrifying as well.

58-4ever · 06-05-2016, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

I at the fight last night. My first UFC event. Pretty fun. Much better to watch on TV, but it was cool to be there and see it. The crowd energy was pretty electrifying as well.

That's cool. I at home normally.

How close were you?

CoMoChief · 06-05-2016, 04:30 PM

Interesting....Dana needs a cash cow badly. As good as Jon Jones is, he doesn't bring the viewership that Lesnar does. Not to mention his rep/image has tanked. Only thing now though is people have seen Lesnar fight so the hype and the "what if" factor is no longer there.

5 weeks until the fight, and really that's 4 weeks to train because the week of the fight, and esp w/ it being UFC 200, there's going to be promos and appearances and all of that shit that week, with probably minimal time to train at all other than just some light stuff.

5 years of ring rust, and really he wasn't a veteran by any means, he's really just an amateur that uses his freakish athletic ability, size, and strength and wrestling background in attempt to overwhelm opponents and getting them to the ground for ground n pound, and we all know his stand up defense is shit, and he doesn't like to take hits. He's a great shape, always has been but he's not going to be a fighting shape at 38yrs old in 1 month's time. He doesn't have the normal wear n tear of your normal 38yr old MMA fighter, but 38 is 38, and is his heart going to be in it or is this just a money grab? I'm thinking it's the latter. He made about $5-6M a fight (if he won) w/ UFC after all of the endorsements and fight bonuses, base salary and % PPV revenue sharing.

White needs a cash cow for this big event and UFC has a big name problem. Anderson Silva is old and has to have gallbladder surgery, GSP is retired for good, Jon Jones is their main guy but that guy's rep/image has taken a brutal hit IMO, and Connor McGregor came off a loss and now is wanting to (box) Floyd Mayweather Jr? lmao what ****in' clown dude's going to get killed if that ever were to happen. And Ronda Rousey won't be back til next year, maybe their New Years fight, and she's hasn't been women's champ for some time now, and as hot Meisha Tate is, she doesn't hold a candle to Rousey's overall marketability and platform. (Tate has an unbelievable body, WAAAAY better than Rousey, Tate's ass is a ****ing 10).

Lesnar is/was the company's biggest draw but IMO this is a last ditch effort by Dana and Brock is getting paid a truckload and so is the WWE I can assure you that. I bet UFC agreed to pay WWE, Lesnar's full contract amount so in case something happens, and he's going to be out some time, WWE isn't out much money. Maybe not, but some arrangement has definitely been made on that account. Wonder if WWE will advertise for UFC 200 at their events and on Raw etc?? Wonder if Lesnar walks out to his own WWE's music now? I actually happen to think that'd be amusing.

Who's Lesnar going to fight? Surely they can't expect to put him w/ Mir again given how back Mir sucks in the octagon now, he's slow overweight fat pos. That's not a money draw IMO. Him and JDS never got to have their match because of Lesnar's illness w/ diverticulitis but that IMO is no longer a draw for a main event non title match, Is Cain Velasquez still hurt w/ a back injury? If Lesnar comes back for one more fight is that going to be w/ him? Why? Does he fight Werdum for non title match? I mean if Werdum loses but doesn't lose the belt and then whether it's the end of the year NYE or SB weekend next Feb, all of the HW's should all be available to fight for the title then. But that would look bad, stupid even, and I don't know how that would even play out, most likely something like that is not on the table due to the possible outcome.

What if this isn't Lesnar's last and only fight in UFC 200? What if he won a fight w/ Werdum for title then does he fight a couple months before Wrestlemania? A guy who's 38? Surely not. So that's probably not in the cards. And I'd see a lot of heat coming if Dana just gave Brock a title shot after 5 years out of fighting w/ 1 month's notice, not going to happen...hmmm

Does he fight Fedor? Would that draw? 8-9 yrs ago that was a hot topic but Fedor is a shell of his former self and Lesnar hasn't fought anyone or trained for a fight in half a decade. Is that a stale product. Gonna be interesting to see what plays out here. Carwin/Lesnar II ??? Where does Lesnar fit?

**kysirsoze** · 06-05-2016, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 58-4ever

That's cool. I at home normally.

How close were you?

Not the closest sections, but we were on the floor. Close enough to voices from the ring, impact sounds, etc. My wife's boss is a higher up at the forum so he got us in. In fact we're going to see Zac Brown Band tonight.

BigCatDaddy · 06-05-2016, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Interesting....Dana needs a cash cow badly. As good as Jon Jones is, he doesn't bring the viewership that Lesnar does. Not to mention his rep/image has tanked. Only thing now though is people have seen Lesnar fight so the hype and the "what if" factor is no longer there.

5 weeks until the fight, and really that's 4 weeks to train because the week of the fight, and esp w/ it being UFC 200, there's going to be promos and appearances and all of that shit that week, with probably minimal time to train at all other than just some light stuff.

5 years of ring rust, and really he wasn't a veteran by any means, he's really just an amateur that uses his freakish athletic ability, size, and strength and wrestling background in attempt to overwhelm opponents and getting them to the ground for ground n pound, and we all know his stand up defense is shit, and he doesn't like to take hits. He's a great shape, always has been but he's not going to be a fighting shape at 38yrs old in 1 month's time. He doesn't have the normal wear n tear of your normal 38yr old MMA fighter, but 38 is 38, and is his heart going to be in it or is this just a money grab? I'm thinking it's the latter. He made about $5-6M a fight (if he won) w/ UFC after all of the endorsements and fight bonuses, base salary and % PPV revenue sharing.

White needs a cash cow for this big event and UFC has a big name problem. Anderson Silva is old and has to have gallbladder surgery, GSP is retired for good, Jon Jones is their main guy but that guy's rep/image has taken a brutal hit IMO, and Connor McGregor came off a loss and now is wanting to (box) Floyd Mayweather Jr? lmao what ****in' clown dude's going to get killed if that ever were to happen. And Ronda Rousey won't be back til next year, maybe their New Years fight, and she's hasn't been women's champ for some time now, and as hot Meisha Tate is, she doesn't hold a candle to Rousey's overall marketability and platform. (Tate has an unbelievable body, WAAAAY better than Rousey, Tate's ass is a ****ing 10).

Lesnar is/was the company's biggest draw but IMO this is a last ditch effort by Dana and Brock is getting paid a truckload and so is the WWE I can assure you that. I bet UFC agreed to pay WWE, Lesnar's full contract amount so in case something happens, and he's going to be out some time, WWE isn't out much money. Maybe not, but some arrangement has definitely been made on that account. Wonder if WWE will advertise for UFC 200 at their events and on Raw etc?? Wonder if Lesnar walks out to his own WWE's music now? I actually happen to think that'd be amusing.

Who's Lesnar going to fight? Surely they can't expect to put him w/ Mir again given how back Mir sucks in the octagon now, he's slow overweight fat pos. That's not a money draw IMO. Him and JDS never got to have their match because of Lesnar's illness w/ diverticulitis but that IMO is no longer a draw for a main event non title match, Is Cain Velasquez still hurt w/ a back injury? If Lesnar comes back for one more fight is that going to be w/ him? Why? Does he fight Werdum for non title match? I mean if Werdum loses but doesn't lose the belt and then whether it's the end of the year NYE or SB weekend next Feb, all of the HW's should all be available to fight for the title then. But that would look bad, stupid even, and I don't know how that would even play out, most likely something like that is not on the table due to the possible outcome.

What if this isn't Lesnar's last and only fight in UFC 200? What if he won a fight w/ Werdum for title then does he fight a couple months before Wrestlemania? A guy who's 38? Surely not. So that's probably not in the cards. And I'd see a lot of heat coming if Dana just gave Brock a title shot after 5 years out of fighting w/ 1 month's notice, not going to happen...hmmm

Does he fight Fedor? Would that draw? 8-9 yrs ago that was a hot topic but Fedor is a shell of his former self and Lesnar hasn't fought anyone or trained for a fight in half a decade. Is that a stale product. Gonna be interesting to see what plays out here. Carwin/Lesnar II ??? Where does Lesnar fit?

Maybe Josh Barnett or Roy Nelson?

**Easy 6** · 06-05-2016, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

The UFC has certainly become a lot more interesting in the last 24 hours

mdstu · 06-05-2016, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Interesting....Dana needs a cash cow badly. As good as Jon Jones is, he doesn't bring the viewership that Lesnar does. Not to mention his rep/image has tanked. Only thing now though is people have seen Lesnar fight so the hype and the "what if" factor is no longer there.

5 weeks until the fight, and really that's 4 weeks to train because the week of the fight, and esp w/ it being UFC 200, there's going to be promos and appearances and all of that shit that week, with probably minimal time to train at all other than just some light stuff.

5 years of ring rust, and really he wasn't a veteran by any means, he's really just an amateur that uses his freakish athletic ability, size, and strength and wrestling background in attempt to overwhelm opponents and getting them to the ground for ground n pound, and we all know his stand up defense is shit, and he doesn't like to take hits. He's a great shape, always has been but he's not going to be a fighting shape at 38yrs old in 1 month's time. He doesn't have the normal wear n tear of your normal 38yr old MMA fighter, but 38 is 38, and is his heart going to be in it or is this just a money grab? I'm thinking it's the latter. He made about $5-6M a fight (if he won) w/ UFC after all of the endorsements and fight bonuses, base salary and % PPV revenue sharing.

White needs a cash cow for this big event and UFC has a big name problem. Anderson Silva is old and has to have gallbladder surgery, GSP is retired for good, Jon Jones is their main guy but that guy's rep/image has taken a brutal hit IMO, and Connor McGregor came off a loss and now is wanting to (box) Floyd Mayweather Jr? lmao what ****in' clown dude's going to get killed if that ever were to happen. And Ronda Rousey won't be back til next year, maybe their New Years fight, and she's hasn't been women's champ for some time now, and as hot Meisha Tate is, she doesn't hold a candle to Rousey's overall marketability and platform. (Tate has an unbelievable body, WAAAAY better than Rousey, Tate's ass is a ****ing 10).

Lesnar is/was the company's biggest draw but IMO this is a last ditch effort by Dana and Brock is getting paid a truckload and so is the WWE I can assure you that. I bet UFC agreed to pay WWE, Lesnar's full contract amount so in case something happens, and he's going to be out some time, WWE isn't out much money. Maybe not, but some arrangement has definitely been made on that account. Wonder if WWE will advertise for UFC 200 at their events and on Raw etc?? Wonder if Lesnar walks out to his own WWE's music now? I actually happen to think that'd be amusing.

Who's Lesnar going to fight? Surely they can't expect to put him w/ Mir again given how back Mir sucks in the octagon now, he's slow overweight fat pos. That's not a money draw IMO. Him and JDS never got to have their match because of Lesnar's illness w/ diverticulitis but that IMO is no longer a draw for a main event non title match, Is Cain Velasquez still hurt w/ a back injury? If Lesnar comes back for one more fight is that going to be w/ him? Why? Does he fight Werdum for non title match? I mean if Werdum loses but doesn't lose the belt and then whether it's the end of the year NYE or SB weekend next Feb, all of the HW's should all be available to fight for the title then. But that would look bad, stupid even, and I don't know how that would even play out, most likely something like that is not on the table due to the possible outcome.

What if this isn't Lesnar's last and only fight in UFC 200? What if he won a fight w/ Werdum for title then does he fight a couple months before Wrestlemania? A guy who's 38? Surely not. So that's probably not in the cards. And I'd see a lot of heat coming if Dana just gave Brock a title shot after 5 years out of fighting w/ 1 month's notice, not going to happen...hmmm

Does he fight Fedor? Would that draw? 8-9 yrs ago that was a hot topic but Fedor is a shell of his former self and Lesnar hasn't fought anyone or trained for a fight in half a decade. Is that a stale product. Gonna be interesting to see what plays out here. Carwin/Lesnar II ??? Where does Lesnar fit?

Fyi, Stipe Miocic is the HW champ, not Werdum.

**TimBone** · 06-05-2016, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

**TimBone** · 06-05-2016, 05:10 PM

I honestly don't care to see Lesnar in the UFC.

**TimBone** · 06-05-2016, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

lol, the UFC banned Esther Lin too, that is just madness. You could argue that banning her from UFC events is a lot worse than banning Ariel Helwani.

edit: Helwani will be on the Dan Patrick show tomorrow. This is kinda getting out of hand, the UFC doesn't really need this a month out from 200

Yeah...it's pretty ****ed up all around. Was it someone here that said if the UFC wants to be a real sport, then they need to act more professionally? I couldn't agree more. What did Helwani do wrong? He's an MMA reporter. He would be a pretty shitty one of he didn't investigate a story like that one.

I find it so annoying that it actually makes me want to boycott the UFC, but....ya know....UFC 200.

**SAUTO** · 06-05-2016, 05:17 PM

So is lesnar gonna be required to do the all the pressers leading up?

**TimBone** · 06-05-2016, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

So is lesnar gonna be required to do the all the pressers leading up?

Ohhh, wouldn't it be great if he wasn't required to do so, and Connor McGregor called him out on it? I'd tune in to see Connor vs Lesnar at heavyweight.

**SAUTO** · 06-05-2016, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone

Ohhh, wouldn't it be great if he wasn't required to do so, and Connor McGregor called him out on it? I'd tune in to see Connor vs Lesnar at heavyweight.

, more like call out Dana over it.

It's just funny that over him not wanting to do ALL the media days they let that fight falll apart. Now they are stooping to having a wwe contacted wrestler who is then going to SUMMER SLAM! next be the big draw for 200.

Sell outs.

**TimBone** · 06-05-2016, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

, more like call out Dana over it.

It's just funny that over him not wanting to do ALL the media days they let that fight falll apart. Now they are stooping to having a wwe contacted wrestler who is then going to SUMMER SLAM! next be the big draw for 200.

Sell outs.

Yeah. The McGregor incident was very unfortunate. If they had the McGregor-Diaz fight on this card rather than a Lesnar fight, the card would be insane.

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