Chiefs ****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread**** - Page 431

Sofa King · 09-07-2023, 09:08 PM

They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.

O.city · 11-09-2023, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

We had the #1 offense last year.

Now we have the #15th best.

So stop living in last year when the offense is much worse. Keep blaming Mahomes but that's not going to fix anything.

We didn't need to spend a couple firsts, what we needed to do was have a few guys that could take the pressure off Kelce and it didn't happen.

And we played the playoffs with a hobbled QB and a banged up "#1 offense" or whatever stat you choose to use.

They went and paid a RT, drafted another weapon for the QB. At some point, yeah, the highest paid QB in the league needs to play better.

MahomesMagic · 11-09-2023, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

You could say the same thing last year… the Chiefs didn’t have an individual WR that was as elite as Chase or AJ Brown, but collectively they were part of an offense that was overall better than Philly or Cincy.

Last year's offense was #1. This year it's 15th.

I would say it is not just not replacing Juju but also that teams last year were still playing us like we had Tyreek. Last year we got great efficiency even with pop gun weapons because the book on KC was to play zone with safeties deep. Last year we adjusted back to that and ran the ball and took the easy plays.

This year those plays aren't there because the Chiefs mystique is over with.

Denver just said nope, not scared. And then proceeded to play us in a way no one had dared last year. And they got away with it because we don't have a way to punish that. No one is scared of anyone on our team going deep now. Our highest paid WR is a decoy that can't track a football.

O.city · 11-09-2023, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Last year's offense was #1. This year it's 15th.

I would say it is not just not replacing Juju but my also that teams last year were still playing us like we had Tyreek. Last year we got great efficiency even with pop gun weapons because the book on KC was to play zone with safeties deep. Last year we adjusted back to that and ran the ball and took the easy plays.

This year those plays aren't there because the Chiefs mystique is over with.

Denver just said nope, not scared. And then proceeded to play us in a way no one had dared last year. And they got away with it because we don't have a way to punish that. No one is scared of anyone on our team going deep now. Our highest paid WR is a decoy that can't track a football.

Don't think any metrics bear any of this out, in terms of how teams are playing them. But it sounds good.

staylor26 · 11-09-2023, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Don't think any metrics bear any of this out, in terms of how teams are playing them. But it sounds good.

Boy he's got himslef a narrative.

MahomesMagic · 11-09-2023, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Don't think any metrics bear any of this out, in terms of how teams are playing them. But it sounds good.

Watch the games.

The check downs to the flat aren't going for 8-15 yards anymore. Why should they?

When only one player scares a defense they can man up the rest of our team with anyone with a pulse.

Our highest paid WR and deep threat didn't need Ramsey or Rhodes on him.

staylor26 · 11-09-2023, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Watch the games.

The check downs to the flat aren't going for 8-15 yards anymore. Why should they?

When only one player scares a defense they can man up the rest of our team with anyone with a pulse.

Our highest paid WR and deep threat didn't need Ramsey or Rhodes on him.

Your entire narrative doesn't even make sense because we didn't have that guy last year.

It didn't take an entire ****ing season and a SB for the rest of the NFL to realize we no longer have Tyreek. Are you really this stupid?

O.city · 11-09-2023, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Watch the games.

The check downs to the flat aren't going for 8-15 yards anymore. Why should they?

When only one player scares a defense they can man up the rest of our team with anyone with a pulse.

Our highest paid WR and deep threat didn't need Ramsey or Rhodes on him.

Because teams are playing more zone this year, eliminating the flats.

IIRC, Mahomes has been better vs man this year than any zone coverage.

MahomesMagic · 11-09-2023, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Because teams are playing more zone this year, eliminating the flats.

IIRC, Mahomes has been better vs man this year than any zone coverage.

Go rewatch the Chargers game.

Watch the 1st half.

Then watch the second half.

DJ's left nut · 11-09-2023, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Last year's offense was #1. This year it's 15th.

I would say it is not just not replacing Juju but also that teams last year were still playing us like we had Tyreek. Last year we got great efficiency even with pop gun weapons because the book on KC was to play zone with safeties deep. Last year we adjusted back to that and ran the ball and took the easy plays.

This year those plays aren't there because the Chiefs mystique is over with.

Denver just said nope, not scared. And then proceeded to play us in a way no one had dared last year. And they got away with it because we don't have a way to punish that. No one is scared of anyone on our team going deep now. Our highest paid WR is a decoy that can't track a football.

Wait.

It's your position that it took NFL defensive coordinators an entire NFL season - including postseason - to realize we don't have Tyreek Hill anymore?

Okaaaaaaay......

raybec 4 · 11-09-2023, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Wait.

It's your position that it took NFL defensive coordinators an entire NFL season - including postseason - to realize we don't have Tyreek Hill anymore?

Okaaaaaaay......

That tracks. And apparently no one needs data if you have watched the games.

DJ's left nut · 11-09-2023, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Go rewatch the Chargers game.

Watch the 1st half.

Then watch the second half.

Just watch the first drive of the Dolphins game.

Mahomes was operating in scripted plays where he was comfortable playing on time and firing the football. And the offense worked as well as it ever has.

Got out of the scripted plays and he went back to working outside of the rhythm of the offense.

Megatron96 · 11-09-2023, 02:43 PM

PFR Advanced WR statistics through Week 9:

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...g_advanced.htm

Some of the lowlights:

KC WRs lead the league in drops. Two of the Chiefs WRs have drop rates in the top-11 (worst) of all WRs through Week 9. No other team has more than one WR in that list, and only two teams have multiple WRs in the 'top' 15, DAL and CAR. And those four WRs all have better drop rates than KC's two WRs.

According to PFN, Rice currently 'leads' the league in drop rate, with 16.7%, with toney in '2nd place' at 15.8%.

Rice, MVS, Justin Watson, KT, and Skyy account for 5 of Mahomes' 8 INTs in 2023 when targeted through Week 9, or 62.5% of Pat's total INTs on the season.

Rice is the only KC WR with a Passer Rating over 100 when targeted.

Three of the top 5 KC WRs possess PRs below 78 (Justin Watson/KT@78.1/77.5 respectively, and then Skyy at 57).

For reference, Demarcus Robinson never had a season in KC with a Passer Rating of less than 93.7, and during his four years in KC his PR average was 106.8.

O.city · 11-09-2023, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Go rewatch the Chargers game.

Watch the 1st half.

Then watch the second half.

They didn't change, it was mostly man coverage.

MahomesMagic · 11-09-2023, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Wait.

It's your position that it took NFL defensive coordinators an entire NFL season - including postseason - to realize we don't have Tyreek Hill anymore?

Okaaaaaaay......

It's not that they really they didn't know he wasn't there.

But the book on KC for years and how best to play us was written and teams don't adjust as fast as you think they do. Even with crap WR's there is a risk to playing that way against Mahomes because he can buy time and is lethal once the play breaks down.

2021 lull was all about teams taking away the verticals.

2022 efficiency was all about KC adjusting back and taking efficiency.

2023 is the DC's striking back and not giving us last year's efficiency stuff as easily.

O.city · 11-09-2023, 02:49 PM

Andy is notoriously known for his use of the screen game. We haven't seen much of that from the RB spot this year.

Usually you do that when you get man coverage.

Would seem to parlay itself to evidence here.

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Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: North Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-1719600	PFR Advanced WR statistics through Week 9: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...g_advanced.htm Some of the lowlights: KC WRs lead the league in drops. Two of the Chiefs WRs have drop rates in the top-11 (worst) of all WRs through Week 9. No other team has more than one WR in that list, and only two teams have multiple WRs in the 'top' 15, DAL and CAR. And those four WRs all have better drop rates than KC's two WRs. According to PFN, Rice currently 'leads' the league in drop rate, with 16.7%, with toney in '2nd place' at 15.8%. Rice, MVS, Justin Watson, KT, and Skyy account for 5 of Mahomes' 8 INTs in 2023 when targeted through Week 9, or 62.5% of Pat's total INTs on the season. Rice is the only KC WR with a Passer Rating over 100 when targeted. Three of the top 5 KC WRs possess PRs below 78 (Justin Watson/KT@78.1/77.5 respectively, and then Skyy at 57). For reference, Demarcus Robinson never had a season in KC with a Passer Rating of less than 93.7, and during his four years in KC his PR average was 106.8. __________________ *“Some ideas are so stupid only intellectuals believe them.”*- George Orwell Steven "Spags" Spagnuolo is my Adopt-A-Chief!!!
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-525936	Andy is notoriously known for his use of the screen game. We haven't seen much of that from the RB spot this year. Usually you do that when you get man coverage. Would seem to parlay itself to evidence here.
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