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Old 03-28-2024, 08:39 AM  
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***Official 2024 STL Cardinals Thread ***
I'll update the rosters and opening day lineup when its officially released.

2024 Opening Day roster.
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For the new Cardinal fans that joined the Planet since last year, here are some of the historical threads going back to 2006.
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Old 08-28-2024, 04:03 PM   #631
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Cardinals attendance has taken a major hit, and it could impact winter spending


Only the Cardinals management would look at fans staying away and think, well I guess we need to go cheaper. That’ll get them back through the turnstiles. No, maybe make a change in management? Get competent people to run the franchise? New owner? But no, let’s make it worse is their idea?
Good.

Do that, BDWIII.

Do EXACTLY that. Spend less and then blame the fans for not responding to your shitty product, open antagonism and general apathy towards putting as much as an entertaining product on the field, let alone a championship caliber one.

Go ahead and give Mozeliak and Marmol another extension while you're at it.

Double-down, silver-spoon window-licker.

This is so far beyond Mozeliak and Marmol at this point. When you look at the change-over in leadership at the ownership level, when BDWII turned things over to III, it becomes so obvious what happened here.

And when you listen to III speak, it's so clear how little he gives a shit about baseball. When he starts talking money, he's douchey, but he's cogent. But the last interview I heard from him where he tried to talk baseball he actually said "We wanted to re-sign some of our own guys; like the guy we traded for.....uh....guy who went to the Mets and got hurt..."

You forgot Jose Quintana's name, asshole?

The Cardinals President simply doesn't give a shit about baseball and it's really REALLY obvious.

It's become more and more apparent to me over the last 18 months or so that the real problem is BDWIII.

His open contempt for fans and apathy for the product on the field has driven all of this.
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Bill DeWitt III took over as President from Mark Lamping in 2008. Rumors are that BDWII started to pull back from any real role in the organization around 2013/2014 and that's really when things started to fall to shit. Inertia kept the wheels on for a bit but that's all that was.

This collapse has come pretty much entirely under the watch of BDWIII.

As you start to dig a bit, HE'S the problem.
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Only the Cardinals management would look at fans staying away and think, well I guess we need to go cheaper. That’ll get them back through the turnstiles. No, maybe make a change in management? Get competent people to run the franchise? New owner? But no, let’s make it worse is their idea?
I just can't fathom the logic here. Just epically stupid.
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Old 08-28-2024, 05:38 PM   #634
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Only the Cardinals management would look at fans staying away and think, well I guess we need to go cheaper. That’ll get them back through the turnstiles. No, maybe make a change in management? Get competent people to run the franchise? New owner? But no, let’s make it worse is their idea?
The condition of downtown is also playing a role
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Empty seats have ticket prices plunging for St. Louis Cardinals games

“I think there’s been a feeling of the emotional and financial investment that fans have made has not been reciprocated by the organization,” Tim McKernan said.

Author: Holden Kurwicki

ST. LOUIS — Sparse crowds at Busch Stadium are making headlines across major league baseball after the organization recently set a record-low attendance at the stadium.
Hundreds of tickets were available to the Cardinals game Wednesday night on StubHub for $0, though some StubHub fees were required. It's strange and unwelcome territory for the franchise.

The rest here: https://www.ksdk.com/article/sports/...qn1is8lxsb9aog
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Old 08-29-2024, 12:47 PM   #636
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You’d like to think the drop in attendance and nearly free resale price of tickets would easily drive a complete offseason overhaul of how they are doing things. Instead my guess is similar to others here with it just being more of the same but with added cost cutting while citing declining revenue.
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You’d like to think the drop in attendance and nearly free resale price of tickets would easily drive a complete offseason overhaul of how they are doing things. Instead my guess is similar to others here with it just being more of the same but with added cost cutting while citing declining revenue.


Fellas - it's a possibility.

What's the miracle? Quinn Mathews and Tink Hence slotting in at 1/2 in the rotation with Gray at 3 and a pile of slag at 4/5?

Does anyone really trust this organization to fix Walker? Wetherholt should be pretty impossible to **** up, but he's not a guy with a super high ceiling.

Winn/Wetherholt up the middle with Burleson at 1b is a moderately interesting 1/3 of a lineup provied that those are your 3rd, 4th and 5th best hitters. If Walker comes on and Arenado un****s himself, maybe you have a 1-5 that's approaching playoff caliber? Contreras may still have some gas in the tank, Donovan is another fine complementary stick.

But even with these long-shots all hitting, you're still talking about an 88-90 win team? A good team, but nothing resembling a great one.

There's nothing on the come. You look at Boston for example and the trio of badass prospects they have in AAA right now - that's a team with an exciting future. Teams like Philly and Atlanta are smart (and to the extent they aren't, they're financial committed to the team). LAD is both. NYY is rich.

Baltimore just has too much young talent to fail.

There are very few teams with a 5 year window that looks worse than ours does. Things are gonna be bad for a bit going forward.
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Doesn't save them much of anything - mostly just an effort to get him to a playoff team.

Something of a white flag.

Shocked that splitting the series vs. the Padres didn't convince them that they're on the upswing...
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I was hoping Shildt would put the final nail in the coffin. Oh well.
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I'd still like to see Chaim Bloom get a shot.

He left the Red Sox a gold mine. You should check out their Worcester Triple-A team with Roman Anthony, Kyle Teel, Kristian Campbell, Marcelo Mayer. It's absolutely loaded. Check out Campbell, a fourth round pick out of Georgia Tech that is reminding me of Mookie Betts-lite.

Like St. Louis with Witt, Boston's John Henry has gone cheap, but Bloom still managed to put together a strong player development core. I haven't even mentioned their big league young studs like Triston Casas, Wilyer Abreu, Ceddanne Rafaela.
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I'd still like to see Chaim Bloom get a shot.

He left the Red Sox a gold mine. You should check out their Worcester Triple-A team with Roman Anthony, Kyle Teel, Kristian Campbell, Marcelo Mayer. It's absolutely loaded. Check out Campbell, a fourth round pick out of Georgia Tech that is reminding me of Mookie Betts-lite.

Like St. Louis with Witt, Boston's John Henry has gone cheap, but Bloom still managed to put together a strong player development core. I haven't even mentioned their big league young studs like Triston Casas, Wilyer Abreu, Ceddanne Rafaela.
I don’t want anyone who is at all affiliated with this organization in the front office to replace Mozeliak.

Bloom can GTFO with everyone else.

He also made a horrendous trade of Betts to LA.
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I don’t want anyone who is at all affiliated with this organization in the front office to replace Mozeliak.

Bloom can GTFO with everyone else.

He also made a horrendous trade of Betts to LA.
Agree. Start completely fresh.

Though the rumor is Mo staying AND a declining payroll blamed on fans "not being loyal "
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I'd still like to see Chaim Bloom get a shot.

He left the Red Sox a gold mine. You should check out their Worcester Triple-A team with Roman Anthony, Kyle Teel, Kristian Campbell, Marcelo Mayer. It's absolutely loaded.
What is so loaded about their minor league system?

They have a handful of 50 FV prospects. You know what 50 FV projects to be? An Average MLB player. You know how often those kind of prospects even achieve average results? Like 10%.
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