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Old 08-12-2014, 04:26 PM  
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Old 07-08-2023, 04:49 AM   #64246
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Old 07-08-2023, 10:33 AM   #64247
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Actually the salary cap had more to do with ending the NFCs dominance than Elway.
There’s no question that the cap hurt some of those NFC teams. They were stacked. The cap, like it or not brought balance.
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Old 07-08-2023, 10:35 AM   #64248
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You don't win a title in 97 without a complete ref screw job at Arrowhead admit it...huge asterisk
Nah, I think it was the presence of Neil Smith.
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Old 07-08-2023, 10:55 AM   #64249
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Nah, I think it was the presence of Neil Smith.


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Old 07-08-2023, 12:11 PM   #64250
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I bet that publications listing him anywhere in that range are relying on young people who just look at his longevity stats. He was in a starting position for a long time, so he accumulated some raw stats.

That's also how Charlie Joiner and Art Monk and John Riggins are in the Hall of Fame. Tell me about their most dominant seasons. Talk to me about their iconic plays. They may have plays here or there, but for the most part they were guys who managed to hold onto a starting job for long enough to accumulate big numbers.

elway is the same player. He was a guy who hung on in the league for a long time, was never one of the dominant players, and you could count on him to not show up in the postseason. The "legend" of elway is one long drive against Cleveland in an overtime game where he threw for a total of 244 yards. Well, let's talk about the legend of Chad Henne's drive against Jacksonville. That's way more impressive considering that Chad did it coming off the bench cold.

I'll admit to disliking him primarily because he tried to destroy the sport of football, but even setting aside his absolute treachery to the sport I love, he's not in my top 50 quarterbacks of all time base on his on-field mediocrity.
Elway had to make tougher throws than Henne, but "The Drive" always seemed a little weak for a signature career moment. Especially considering he was facing a bottom half pass defense.
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Nah, I think it was the presence of Neil Smith.
Tony wasn't forced out? Phantom holding wasn't called on a FG? Lubricants on jerseys weren't used? Answer honestly.
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Elway had to make tougher throws than Henne, but "The Drive" always seemed a little weak for a signature career moment. Especially considering he was facing a bottom half pass defense.
The Drive was pretty nice. You should watch it again on YouTube. The next year with the fumble was pretty wild.
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Old 07-08-2023, 06:19 PM   #64254
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Along with VIOLATED THE SALARY CAP.
What’s the truth about the cap scandal? The Broncos claim it gave them no competitive advantage, and yet Elway took a much lower cap hit in those years than peers like Marino. Plus they deferred huge payments to Davis.

Of course, their excuse is that Bowlen needed the extra dough to fund the stadium, but I’m not sure how that excuses circumvention of the cap.
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There’s no question that the cap hurt some of those NFC teams. They were stacked. The cap, like it or not brought balance.
It brought balance for most teams. Some were finally able to “Win one for Pat” by skirting the cap.
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Looks like Shanahan subscribed to "If you're not cheating you're not trying" philosophy.
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This list putting the Donks at the top is not surprising at all. I call them the cheating Donks for a reason.
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