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It's absolutely true. I remember Priest Holmes getting more than 300 all-purpose yards in a single game. A great achievement. The Chiefs lost that game. I'd bet you don't even remember it on your own. Why? Because it didn't matter because the Chiefs lost.
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Manning > Elway
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By the way, this still doesn't resolve Craig Morton being better with Reeves in 81, or is that 2 years too far apart too? Was Reeves a completely different person then too? This is such a stupid argument to make. No shit. Everyone grows and changes. That's called being a human being. Systems and coaches change, BUT they don't completely overhaul overnight. Core principles tend to remain in coaches schemes and systems. Its the closest thing that you can get to a control in this scenario. I'm not implying that it's entirely the same, I am saying though that if Dan Reeves can get better numbers out of quarterbacks who shouldn't be able to hold Elway's jock strap, what does that say about Elway? The arguments I'm making are anything but nonsensical. At least it's not the drivel of "You have to had watch him" (Most of us here did) or the sheer stupidity of viewing Wins almost exclusively as a QB stat. I literally have seen nothing else from Broncos fans on this matter. 5 Super Bowls (in a historically bad conference), 2 SB Wins (Under a coach/RB tandem that was phenomenal), Lots of regular season wins. 4th quarter comebacks. That's literally all that has been brought to the table from you all here. Hell, if you use just those, he's closer to Eli Manning and Rapistberger than Joe Cool. There are so many fallacies in the statements you're making on here its actually kind of laughable. I find it funny the guy who has provided no data is attempting to tell me I'm not a competent researcher. You're right, I'm only providing some degree of a control group in football statistics in regards to a coaches scheme impact upon a player. It's not perfect by any means, but it is an acceptable criteria in terms of comparison. When looking at things like this you can never create a perfect comparison, as there will always be questions of scheme impacting players, but its a valid concern and criticism. Acting as if it has no bearing in the discussion is intellectually bankrupt and burying your head in the sand. Data drives all. Numbers don't lie. People do. Eyewitness accounts do. Delusional Donkey fans do. Delusional Chiefs fans do. But numbers don't. I still think Elway was damn good with Shanahan, especially with Terrell Davis getting the rock, But he's still massively overrated. You can't be statistically worse in several important metrics that define QB success than a sizable amount of his same-era counterparts and somehow just be better. The world doesn't work that way. |
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They're all just opinions, some based on a decent foundation of stats and the eyeball test. It's splitting hairs really, when you're talking all-time and you realize the NFL has been around for over 100 years and we've had 56 Super Bowl years... being discussed in the top 10, hell top 15 at your position is pretty freaking stellar.
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Seems as though the NFL should be an authority on this topic....the list on NFL.com says
Elway is #9....seems about right https://www.nfl.com/news/top-25-quar...p3000001035041 |
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"Look I get it you hated John Elway so you refuse to give him any credit. And I in no way am biased in my analysis of him as an all-time top 5 QB because he happened to play for my favorite team. No sir. All I bring are hard stats like telling people you had to watch him play otherwise you're a moron."
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Len Dawson has two seasons with more TD passes than any of Elway's seasons. And he did that in 14-game seasons.
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I could argue that Eli and Elway are kind of similar actually....other than Elway has more big stage beatdown embarrassing loses.
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