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I wonder if Favre ahead of Manning is a normal view among non-KC fans. I guess I don't see it, Manning has more yards, more TDs, more SB wins and fewer INTs in fewer years. He also did not lose a Super Bowl to noted horrible QB John Elway.
I don't think a reasonable person gives Manning much credit for the 2015 SB. And yes, Manning has better stats, but Favre played a bunch of seasons in a less QB-friendly era (the mantra of Broncos fans). I think you can make a case for either.
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I wonder if Favre ahead of Manning is a normal view among non-KC fans. I guess I don't see it, Manning has more yards, more TDs, more SB wins and fewer INTs in fewer years. He also did not lose a Super Bowl to noted horrible QB John Elway.
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I don't think a reasonable person gives Manning much credit for the 2015 SB. And yes, Manning has better stats, but Favre played a bunch of seasons in a less QB-friendly era (the mantra of Broncos fans). I think you can make a case for either.
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1. Brady

2. Montana

3. Manning

4. Mahomes

5. Brees

I'd put Kurt Warner in front of Elway. He doesn't get enough love. He went to 3 superbowls, one with a franchise who had been just god-awful for years.

When it's all said and done Mahomes will unanimously be either 1 or 2.
Manning never played well in any of the 4 super bowls he played in. He has 3 passing TD's in 4 Super Bowls, one of which was in garbage time already down 36-0 vs Seattle.

Mahomes is way better than him.
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Manning never played well in any of the 4 super bowls he played in. He has 3 passing TD's in 4 Super Bowls, one of which was in garbage time already down 36-0 vs Seattle.

Mahomes is way better than him.
Mahomes is better but he has 3 more MVP awards and more SB appearances so he gets the third spot.

That’s going to change very very soon
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Mahomes is better but he has 3 more MVP awards and more SB appearances so he gets the third spot.

That’s going to change very very soon
Peyton is a lot closer to Marino than people think. He was basically Mr L. Regular Season and then folded when it mattered.

Manning got pretty lucky. He won against Rex Grossman, arguably one of the worst QB's to ever play in a SB, then was carried by an amazing defense.

For someone to talented and smart, he really didn't look like it in the biggest moments.
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Peyton is a lot closer to Marino than people think. He was basically Mr L. Regular Season and then folded when it mattered.

Manning got pretty lucky. He won against Rex Grossman, arguably one of the worst QB's to ever play in a SB, then was carried by an amazing defense.

For someone to talented and smart, he really didn't look like it in the biggest moments.
If Peyton didn't choke in the biggest moments he would be number 1.

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Manning and Mahomes in the postseason at this stage of their careers:

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291.7 yds/game
3 SB appearances
2 SB wins/2 SB MVPs
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Mahomes is better but he has 3 more MVP awards and more SB appearances so he gets the third spot.

That’s going to change very very soon
Manning won one of his MVP awards by throwing for 27 TDS, averaging 250 yards per game and having a passer rating of 95.0.
Can you imagine a QB these days winning MVP with those stats?
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Manning won one of his MVP awards by throwing for 27 TDS, averaging 250 yards per game and having a passer rating of 95.0.
Can you imagine a QB these days winning MVP with those stats?
Imagine winning a Super Bowl with these stats:

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All I will say is this, at the time of his retirement after the 1998 season...

#1 All-Time Wins (now 7th)
#3 All-Time Passing TDs (now 13)
#2 All-Time Passing Yards (now 12)
2-3 overall in SBs

Just outside the top 10 in INTs.
Was the most sacked QB all-time

The last 25 years has seen a lot of change with the passing rules and style of play.

I'm not here to stop the piling on, please have fun with it... just saying that at the time he retired, he was at the top of the most significant categories and a few of the not so great. It happens.

Biggest change for Elway was moving on from Reeves and ultimately getting Shanahan.
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All I will say is this, at the time of his retirement after the 1998 season...

#1 All-Time Wins (now 7th)
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#2 All-Time Passing Yards (now 12)
2-3 overall in SBs

Just outside the top 10 in INTs.
Was the most sacked QB all-time

The last 25 years has seen a lot of change with the passing rules and style of play.

I'm not here to stop the piling on, please have fun with it... just saying that at the time he retired, he was at the top of the most significant categories and a few of the not so great. It happens.

Biggest change for Elway was moving on from Reeves and ultimately getting Shanahan.
Come on, man. Longevity stats don’t mean much, good or bad. Do you think Eli Manning was better than Mahomes?

Do you at least agree that the “Reeves didn’t throw” narrative is way overblown? Elway was often top 5ish in pass attempts under him.
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