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Old 08-12-2014, 04:26 PM  
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Old 07-04-2023, 08:15 AM   #64051
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John Elway won MVP in 1987 and had 19 TD's to 12 INT's.

Jerry Rice had 23 receiving TD's , Marino threw 26 TD's, Joe Montana threw 31 TD's and 7 QB's total threw more TD's than Elway that year.

Looks like it was purely politics handing Elway an MVP he didn't deserve
That one was a head scratcher!
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Old 07-04-2023, 08:17 AM   #64052
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Old 07-04-2023, 08:18 AM   #64054
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They didn't throw as much back then as they do today. Dan Reeves' is offenses through the '80s and early '90s were run on first down run on second down Elway bail us out. Elway did all the stuff that mahomes does. Fourth quarter heroics left-handed passes all that stuff. Elway is one of the top five qbs of all time. Patrick mahomes reminds me a lot of Elway. And Patrick mahomes is close to John Elway or Joe Montana that you'll get to in today's league
He's nowhere near the top 5...sorry
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They didn't throw as much back then as they do today.
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Old 07-04-2023, 08:38 AM   #64056
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They didn't throw as much back then as they do today. Dan Reeves' is offenses through the '80s and early '90s were run on first down run on second down Elway bail us out. Elway did all the stuff that mahomes does. Fourth quarter heroics left-handed passes all that stuff. Elway is one of the top five qbs of all time. Patrick mahomes reminds me a lot of Elway. And Patrick mahomes is close to John Elway or Joe Montana that you'll get to in today's league
Elway was never even a first-year all-pro selection
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Old 07-04-2023, 08:39 AM   #64057
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They didn't throw as much back then as they do today. Dan Reeves' is offenses through the '80s and early '90s were run on first down run on second down Elway bail us out. Elway did all the stuff that mahomes does. Fourth quarter heroics left-handed passes all that stuff. Elway is one of the top five qbs of all time. Patrick mahomes reminds me a lot of Elway. And Patrick mahomes is close to John Elway or Joe Montana that you'll get to in today's league
Elway threw left-handed passes?

I wouldn’t compare Elway’s numbers to today’s QBs, of course, but they weren’t stellar even for his era. He generally didn’t rank at or near the top in any major stats and turned it over a lot. And I think the Reeves excuse is overblown. In ‘85, Elway was #1 in the NFL in pass attempts, by a good margin. #4 the following year. #6 the next season. 4th in ‘88, etc. He was almost always much closer to the top than the bottom in attempts. But he was rarely near the top in completion percentage or TD/INT ratio.

There’s a lot more to being a top 5 QB all-time than a strong arm and the occasional 4th quarter comeback.
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Old 07-04-2023, 09:15 AM   #64060
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Mahomes career so far vs elfraud 15 year career.

Mahomes makes elfraud look like Tyler Bray

Now I see why they didn't throw it much back then
300 TD to 226 Int's


Elway was awesome at handing the ball to the RB though.



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The style of play is very much the same. If you didn't watch it then you don't know. I can get into why all those variances are there and whatnot but I just don't feel the need to educate a bunch of f****** morons.

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Maybe I just didn’t see him play enough, but I’ve always thought Elway was way overrated. We’re supposed to think he was God-like for overcoming Bernie Kosar a bunch of times before being carried by a loaded roster in his later years?

He may have had elite ability, but all that matters is how he produced on average. And he didn’t produce like a top 10 all-time QB. Definitely not top 5.

What do we always hear about Elway? “He’d do nothing until the last drive and then he’d tear your heart out!” Well, believe it or not, there have been QBs that actually play complete games. And perform far better on the big stage.
Elway was the white Michael Vick, with a luckier career.
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Honorable mention: Horseface, Warner, Aikman, Roethlisberger
Is that in order, or just the list. I can agree with the list, but would have to make a few changes in the order. Mahomes most likely will be number one eventually. But I wouldn't put him there just yet. At this point, probably 4th. Montana would be my number one at this point. I would also move Unitas into the top 5. Marino would be just outside the top 5 at 6 at Young behind him at 7. Then Favre, followed by Fivehead, then Rodgers rounding out the top 10
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