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Old 02-17-2021, 10:29 AM  
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Old 11-28-2021, 08:42 PM   #616
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Alright, you guys let us that don't follow as closely know about this lockout that is being planned to start Wednesday. Is this going to be a short lockout or a lengthy one?
Supposedly, expectations are an agreement by training camp or not to far into the regular start dates. The players want out before 6 years. The owners have the DH to offer.

The owners know they are not getting a salary cap. They almost killed baseball trying to get it in the 90’s.
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Old 11-29-2021, 11:20 AM   #617
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Jon Gray signing for 4/$56 is a risk I'd have been willing to take.

He's an awfully good complement to Matz. When both are healthy and productive they'd provide much different looks and Gray provides a nice floor given his health history and high-octane fastball.

At $14 million/season (in an environment where Scherzer is getting $43 million), I think that's a very justifiable risk.
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Old 11-29-2021, 11:28 AM   #619
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Jon Gray signing for 4/$56 is a risk I'd have been willing to take.

He's an awfully good complement to Matz. When both are healthy and productive they'd provide much different looks and Gray provides a nice floor given his health history and high-octane fastball.

At $14 million/season (in an environment where Scherzer is getting $43 million), I think that's a very justifiable risk.
I totally agree.

If you gave me a choice of Gray for 4/$56M or Kevin Gausman for 5/$110M, it would have been Gray hands down for me.
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Old 11-29-2021, 12:00 PM   #621
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Thats ridiculous.
They can afford it and it doesn't cost a comp pick. The owners can afford these contracts, they just don't admit it.
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Thats ridiculous.
As soon as I saw the Mets were involved yesterday I immediately thought the butt hurt the owner had over the Matz signing might lend to him "tilting" on a deal with Scherzer.

I wanted him, but that is insane money. Even as durable as he has been, he is still 38, 39, 40 in the years of that contract.
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Sources: Texas Rangers land star shortstop Corey Seager on 10-year, $325 million deal. The Rangers have committed $561 million over the last 24 hours to free agents, the biggest free-agent spending spree in MLB history.
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That Bryce Harper deal looking better and better for the Phillies.

I know we talked about here, but goddamn Mozeliak missed a chance there.
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They can afford it and it doesn't cost a comp pick. The owners can afford these contracts, they just don't admit it.
If we could afford to pay Carpenter, Miller, Fowler, and Cecil what we did for jack shit yea I guess so.
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That Bryce Harper deal looking better and better for the Phillies.

I know we talked about here, but goddamn Mozeliak missed a chance there.
he’s got a long list of misses.

How’d your new manager do last year? Did he seem to learn from his mistakes with the Cardinals?
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he’s got a long list of misses.

How’d your new manager do last year? Did he seem to learn from his mistakes with the Cardinals?
Ouch, shots fired!
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How’d your new manager do last year? Did he seem to learn from his mistakes with the Cardinals?
I will grudgingly admit Matheny was less of an epic disaster than I expected. He seems to have learned at least a smidge. But he’d still be out on his ass tomorrow if I was calling the shots.
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Cohen and the Mets are melting down about the Matz signing, all because they expected to be able to match the deal. Pretty hilarious stuff. Cohen just not putting together how his behavior could negatively impact his team's reputation and is encountering a rare problem in his life that money isn't solving.
update: False alarm.
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