Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

[Rain Man]

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)


Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.


Teams As Of Post #113:


Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

[chiefscafan]

No I'll take the hit I don't really like any of the tackles in this draft

[kccrow]

Checking in on this... wondering what we do now that final cuts are coming down to the wire...

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Checking in on this... wondering what we do now that final cuts are coming down to the wire...

After the teams make their final cuts, we'll make our final cuts. So it's coming fast.

If you're not a first-year player, you can add these players to your camp roster since they arrived as free agents. You can also give up a 2018 7th rounder for DB Kenneth Acker.

If you're a first-year player, you'll be picking 53 players from your draft and the Chiefs' roster (excluding players that the Chiefs drafted and you didn't).

1 Carr, Deveron DB 5-11 194 26 2 Arizona State
77 Devey, Jordan OL 6-6 320 28 2 Memphis
4 Foles, Nick QB 6-6 243 27 4 Arizona
69 Fragel, Reid OL 6-8 308 25 1 Ohio State
39 Johnson, Jeron DB 5-10 212 28 5 Boise State
93 King, David DL 6-4 281 26 2 Oklahoma
40 Millard, Trey FB 6-2 247 25 2 Oklahoma
40 Mulumba, Andy LB 6-3 260 26 3 Eastern Michigan
64 Munyer, Daniel OL 6-1 305 24 1 Colorado
47 Randolph, Shakiel DB 6-3 213 R Southern Methodist
75 Reid, Jah OL 6-7 325 28 6 Central Florida
71 Schwartz, Mitchell OL 6-5 320 27 5 California
62 Smith, Terrance LB 6-2 235 23 R Florida State
94 Staten, Jimmy DL 6-3 311 25 1 Middle Tennessee State
74 Sterup, Zach OL 6-9 318 R Nebraska
10 Streater, Rod WR 6-2 195 28 3 Temple
43 Vereen, Brock DB 5-11 200 24 2 Minnesota

[Rain Man]

How are my draft picks looking in camp? Here's an overview.

2-25 (56th pick) - G Cody Whitehair (Bears). Appears to have locked down a starting job at LG. I needed that.

3-11 (74th pick) - CB Kendall Fuller (Redskins). Good camp reports and he'll start out as a nickel or dime back, but there's optimism in the long term.

4-8 (106th pick) - SS Miles Killebrew (Lions). Listed as third-strong SS right now. I'm hoping he moves up.

4-15 (113th pick) - NT Andrew Billings (Bengals). Blew out a knee and is on IR for the year. That's going to hurt my depth badly.

4-28 (126th pick) - C Evan Boehm (Cardinals). Listed as third-string center with rumors that he's not ready to play yet.

5-24 (161st pick) - G Christian Westerman (Bengals). Listed as 2nd-string and reports are that he's looked good.

6-10 (185th pick) - CB Harlan Miller (Cardinals). Buried on the depth chart, rumors are that he'll make the team for his special teams play.

7-24 (245th pick) - ILB Scooby Wright (Browns). Buried on the depth chart, may be a practice squad signing.

7-28 (249th pick) - CB Kalan Reed (Titans). May make the roster as a kick returner.

The early returns aren't exactly golden. We'll see how they develop.

[The Franchise]

Is there a practice squad with this?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Is there a practice squad with this?

Nope, and no IR. You get 53 players.

[kccrow]

We'll see if all my guys make rosters. Looks like a lot of developmental player so far, which I'm good with given no first round pick.

2-6 (37th pick) - Tyler Boyd, WR, Pittsburgh (Bengals, 55)

Reports are excellent at this point. It looks as though Boyd will see significant action as a rookie, taking snaps as the No. 3 receiver behind Green and LaFell.

3-11 (74th pick) - KeiVarae Russell, CB, Notre Dame (Chiefs, 74)

The jury is largely still out on Russell thus far in KC. It doesn't appear Russell will make an early impact, but we also haven't heard his name called often in the games he played.

4-1 (99th pick) - Joshua Perry, ILB, Ohio State (Chargers, 102)

Perry is firmly entrenched as a backup at this juncture in San Diego. Te'o and Perryman are the main guys, with Dzubnar (2nd year) primed to sub for Perryman out of the gate. Perry and fellow rookie, Jatavis Brown, will get snaps situationally given their statures and play styles.

4-28 (126th pick) - Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri (Broncos, 144)

Injuries to Sambrailo and Weems could mean McGovern gets starter reps if they need extra time. We'll see how it all shakes out, but it looks like McGovern could see some action this season. Denver would much rather develop McGovern, but they have to stay healthy to do that.

4-31 (129th pick) - Matt Judon, DE/OLB, Grand Valley State (Ravens, 146)

With 3 sacks in 3 pre-season games, leading the team in tackles, and a ringing endorsement from Terrell Suggs, its almost a certainty that Judon will see some significant time coming off the bench this season. Judon could be Suggs heir.

5-25 (162nd pick) - Rashard Higgins, WR, Colorado State (Browns, 172)

With Josh Gordon back, Terrelle Pryor showing big-play chemistry with RG3, and Corey Coleman now in the fold, there isn't alot of room on the Browns depth chart where Higgins is currently buried. Aside from Coleman and Higgins, the Browns also drafted Jordan Payton and Ricardo Louis. This team will have a hard time cutting Andrew Hawkins, so we'll have to see who makes the final cut.

5-28 (165th pick) - Fahn Cooper, OT/OG, Ole Miss (49ers, 174)

It looks as though Cooper is getting reps at LG and RT for the 49ers on the 2nd team, but who knows what Chipshit will do. As it stands, it looks like Cooper is making the roster as a primary flex reserve.

6-3 (178th pick) - D.J. White, CB, Georgia Tech (Chiefs, 178)

Surprisingly, White has show more than Russell so far for KC. The journey is far from over though, and it appears that White is likely a dime option in his rookie year after the additon of Acker from San Francisco.

7-29 (250th pick) - Kalan Reed, CB, Southern Miss (Titans, 253)

Reed had an interception against the Raiders, and he's going to be given the return duties this week. Basically, the Titans are giving Reed every opportunity to prove he belongs on the roster. If Reed can show that he can at least back up Tre McBride in the return game, he's probably a lock.

From what I've seen, I think Boyd, McGovern, and Judon end up starters in this league over the next few years. The rest is a craps shoot.

[Rain Man]

I'll be watching Judon, kccrow. I was really tempted by him, but passed him up due to need at other positions.

[kccrow]

My 2016 Roster

Offense (24)
QB1 Alex Smith
QB2 Nick Foles

RB1 Jamaal Charles
RB2 Spencer Ware
RB3 Charcandrick West
RB4 Darrin Reaves

FB1 Anthony Sherman

WR1 Jeremy Maclin
WR2 Chris Conley
WR3 Tyler Boyd (#2-37/16, Bengals)
WR4 De'Anthony Thomas
WR5 Albert Wilson
WR6 Rashard Higgins (#5-162/16, Browns)

TE1 Travis Kelce
TE2 Demetrius Harris
TE3 Ross Travis
TE4 James O'Shaughnessy

OT1 Eric Fisher
OT2 Mitchell Schwartz
OT3 Fahn Cooper (#5-165/16, 49ers PS)

OG1 Laurent Duvernay-Tardif
OG2 Connor McGovern (#4-126/16, Broncos)
OG3 Jarrod Pughsley

OC1 Mitch Morse
OC2 Zach Fulton

Defense (26)
DE1 Jaye Howard
DE2 Allen Bailey
DE3 Nick Williams
DE4 David King

NT1 Dontari Poe
NT2 Rakeem Nunez-Roches

OLB1 Justin Houston
OLB2 Tamba Hali
OLB3 Dee Ford
OLB4 Matt Judon (#4-129/16, Ravens)
OLB5 Dezman Moses

ILB1 Derrick Johnson
ILB2 Justin March
ILB3 Sam Barrington
ILB4 Joshua Perry (#4-99/16, Chargers)

CB1 Marcus Peters
CB2 Phillip Gaines
CB3 Steven Nelson
CB4 Kenneth Acker (give up pick #7-???/18)
CB5 D.J. White (#6-178/16, Chiefs)
CB6 KeiVarae Russell (#3-74/16, Chiefs)
CB7 Kalan Reed (#7-250/16, Titans PS)

S1 Eric Berry
S2 Ron Parker
S3 Daniel Sorensen

Special Teams (3)
K Cairo Santos
P Dustin Colquitt
LS James Winchester


Notes:

I'm keeping some guys that made practice squads on my active roster, including:
Darrin Reaves, RB - Kansas City
Fahn Cooper, OT/G - San Francisco (my 5th round pick)
Jarrod Pughsley, OT/G - Kansas City
David King, DE - Kansas City (since I didn't draft Chris Jones, I need a 4th DE)
Kalan Reed, CB - Tennessee (my 7th round pick, I didn't draft Eric Murray)

Notable Cuts/Not Retaining:

Tyler Bray, QB - I've seen nothing from Bray to warrant a roster spot. I'm rolling with 2 QBs and hoping they stay healthy. Too many rookies to develop and keep over this guy.

Knile Davis, RB - I've sacrificed a bit in the return game by not keeping Davis, but I'm confident De'Anthony Thomas and Rashard Higgins can hold down the fort. Darrin Reaves is just a much better runner and we don't have a practice squad to hold him on.

Bryan Witzmann, OT - Not sure why KC picked this guy off the scrap heap, but he's a UDFA that's spent time on 3 different practice squads. I suppose they see him as a cheap swing tackle option, but I thought Jarrod Pughsley filled that role extremely well this preseason and I drafted collegiate tackles Fahn Cooper and Connor McGovern.

Jah Reid, OT - The Chiefs see alot more in this guy than I do, but I've replaced him with my draft picks.

Frank Zombo, OLB - While I like Zombo in his role, I drafted Judon and am keeping Moses. If we had a PUP, I'd have hung onto Zombo until Houston returned. I like Moses' upside and would have him retaining that roster spot.

D.J. Alexander, ILB - I drafted Josh Perry and am keeping Barrington, a good pick-up off of waivers by the Chiefs. I see no need for Alexander outside of special teams, where Perry can take over.

9/6/16 edit: Decided to keep O'Shaughnessy and instead release Brock Vereen. With Vereen getting his exit papers from the PS, probably not a good sign to hang onto him. Leave's' me thin at safety, but I'm confident that D.J. White could play FS in a pinch.

9/13/16 edit: I listed Higgins playing for Redskins instead of Browns...

[wazu]

Do we have a list of new Chiefs free agents that we are allowed to add to our rosters?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by wazu

Do we have a list of new Chiefs free agents that we are allowed to add to our rosters?

I'm pretty sure that Barrington and Witzmann are the only additions to the 53.

Chiefs signed their own to the PS.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by wazu

Do we have a list of new Chiefs free agents that we are allowed to add to our rosters?

Originally Posted by kccrow

I'm pretty sure that Barrington and Witzmann are the only additions to the 53.

Chiefs signed their own to the PS.

See Post 588 and add any new signings since the draft.


If you're a new player, you'll select your 53 man roster from your draft and the Chiefs' camp roster. It takes a couple of seasons before the changes get significant, but it's worth the wait.

[Rain Man]

Okay, here's my roster. Rookies are in green.

QB
Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Nick Foles
Geno Smith (Jets)
Brett Hundley (Packers)

Pretty strong and deep here.

HB
Jamaal Charles
C.J. Spiller. (Bills/Saints)
Denard Robinson (Jaguars)

Geez. I need Jamaal to stay healthy.

WR
Jeremy Maclin
Donte Moncrief (Colts).*
Kendall Wright (Titans)
Albert Wilson
Rod Streater

Lost a lot of depth here, but doing okay.

TE
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)
Ben Koyack (Jaguars)
Anthony Fasano

Reasonably strong here.

OT
Mitchell Schwartz
Morgan Moses, OT (Redskins)
Menelik Watson (Raiders)
Cyrus Kouandjio, OT (Bills)
TJ Clemmings (Vikings)
Corey Robinson (Lions)
Jah Reid

Lots of quantity, and hopefully some of my young guys develop.

G
Alex Boone (49ers)
Cody Whitehair (#2/25 - Bears )
Christian Westerman (#5/161 - Bengals)

Now there are rumors of moving Whitehair to center. We'll see how that goes.

C
Evan Boehm (#4/126 - Cardinals)

Thrusting a rookie into the starting job again.

K
Cairo Santos, K

Best in NFL.

P
Dustin Colquitt

Best in NFL.

LS*
James Winchester

Best in NFL.

FS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)
Jordan Poyer (Eagles)
Derron Smith (#5/172 - Bengals)

Very strong and deep here.

SS
Tyvon Branch
Miles Killebrew (#4/106 - Lions)

No NFL starters here, though I like Tyvon and Miles has potential.

CB
Marcus Peters (#1/18 - Chiefs)
Kendall Fuller (#3/74 - Redskins)
Steve Nelson (#3/80 - Chiefs)
Harlan Miller (#6/185 - Cardinals)
Kalan Reed (#7/249 - Titans)

Geez, I'm glad I drafted Peters. No depth and lots of rookies.

OLB
Tamba Hali
Nate Orchard (#2/49 - Browns)
AJ Klein (Panthers)

I can't seem to find an heir for Tamba, but this unit is fine.

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
Justin March
Zach Brown (Titans)
Scooby Wright (#7/245 - Browns)

Strong and deep here.

DE
Star Lotulelei (Panthers)
Brandon Williams (Ravens)
Nick Williams

I'm playing two DT/NTs out of position because I can't draft a DE if my life depended on it.

NT
Daniel McCullers (Steelers)
Michael Bennett (#5/173 - Jaguars)
Andrew Billings (#4/113 - Bengals)

McCullers moved up and will be a force in the middle. My line can't pass rush but will shut the run down.


Cuts

In a sign of my recent struggles, I didn't have a lot of painful cuts.

Ryan Harris is a serviceable backup left tackle, but I've got lots of young tackles already.

Mauga was hurt at ILB and I'm deep there, so he's gone.

Gallik at C would have stayed, but he got put on IR, as did Trevor Reilly at OLB.

Rambo gave me good value at S, but his time has come.

Ekpre-Olomu was an injury gamble, but two ACLs in two years and I have to cut him.

I wouldn't have minded keeping a spot for King on the DL, but not room.

And what the heck happened with Dwayne Bowe?

FB/H-Back
Trey Millard

WR
Dwayne Bowe

OT
Ryan Harris, RT
74 Sterup, Zach OL 6-9 318 R Nebraska
69 Fragel, Reid OL 6-8 308 25 1 Ohio State
Bryan Witzmann


G
64 Munyer, Daniel OL 6-1 305 24 1 Colorado
77 Devey, Jordan OL 6-6 320 28 2 Memphis
Ben Grubbs (Acquired via trade for the #5/154 pick)

C
Andy Gallik (#6/193 - Titans)

FS
Jamell Fleming
39 Johnson, Jeron DB 5-10 212 28 5 Boise State

SS
47 Randolph, Shakiel DB 6-3 213 R Southern Methodist
Baccari Rambo (Redskins)


CB
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu (#7/233 - Browns)
43 Vereen, Brock DB 5-11 200 24 2 Minnesota
1 Carr, Deveron DB 5-11 194 26 2 Arizona State
Sean Smith (Lost to free agency)

OLB
Trevor Reilly (Jets)*
40 Mulumba, Andy LB 6-3 260 26 3 Eastern Michigan
62 Smith, Terrance LB 6-2 235 23 R Florida State

ILB
Josh Mauga
Sam Barrington

DE
93 King, David DL 6-4 281 26 2 Oklahoma
94 Staten, Jimmy DL 6-3 311 25 1 Middle Tennessee State
Alex Carrington (Bills)
Ropati Pitoitua
Mike DeVito (Lost to retirement)

[The Franchise]

So I take the Chiefs 53 man roster (minus their draft picks) and add in my draft picks.....and cut it down to 53 right?

[The Franchise]

Here's my roster. Bolded are my starters. Rookies are in red.

QB
Alex Smith
Nick Foles
Tyler Bray

RB
Jamaal Charles
Spencer Ware
Charcandrick West

FB
Anthony Sherman

WR
Jeremy Maclin
Chris Conley
Albert Wilson
De'Anthony Thomas
Keyarris Garrett

TE
Travis Kelce
Demetrius harris
Ross Travis
James O'Shaughnessy

OT
Eric Fisher
Mitchell Schwartz
Kyle Murphy

OG
Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff
Jah Reid
Christian Westerman

OC
Mitch Morse
Zach Fulton

DE
Jaye Howard
Allen Bailey
Nick Williams
Rakeem Nunez-Rochez

NT
Dontari Poe
Andrew Billings

OLB
Justin Houston
Tamba Hali
Dee Ford
Dezman Moses
Frank Zombo

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Myles Jack
Justin March
Sam Barrington
D.J. Alexander

CB
Marcus Peters
Phillip Gaines
Steven Nelson
KeiVarae Russell
Kenneth Acker
Kalan Reed

S
Eric Berry
Ron Parker
K.J. Dillon
Daniel Sorensen

K
Cairos Santos

P
Dustin Colquitt

LS
James Winchester