Chiefs A Level Headed Review Super Bowl LIX - Page 4

DenverChief · 10:30 PM

First and foremost congratulations to the Philadelphia Eagles on a fantastic game plan. They knew what our weakness was and they exploited it to the max.

First a couple of bright spots -

The Defense did a helluva job keeping us in the game for as long as they did. The final score should have been 29-22. If not for Pats two ill timed passes one for a pick six, this game is much closer. Hurts and Barkley had good games but it wasn't anything spectacular. Mcduffie had a very difficult assignment against AJ Brown and while he didn't shut him out he definitely didn't allow him to run wild. So major accolades to the Defense. One minor note to mention Bolton has to be using his head out there - the unnecessary roughness call was ticky tacky but don't even put yourself in the position to let the official make a judgement call.

Xavier Worthy really came into his own tonight (8/8 157 yards 2 TDs). Worthy has a very bright future with the Chiefs and will make this offense explosive again, Dhop has done a wonderful job of mentoring this young man. Outside of Dhop (late in the game) Worthy was the only receiver to have an impact on this game.

The Ugly -

This is the second time we have lost a Super Bowl because of our O-Line. Flat out each turnover was a direct result of the offensive line (Specifically the left side) getting their sh*t pushed in. Thuney is an amazing guard and a serviceable left tackle. But when you play the #1 defense serviceable just doesn't cut it. Caliendo is below average at guard and just got destroyed out there by a superior opponent. Offensive line MUST be something that is worked on in the off season. It must have been really telling about DJ Humphries abilities if they didn't even consider making the half time adjustment to move him out there and put Thuney back at guard.

NO RUNNING GAME - we saw so much success with running Kareem Hunt during the playoffs and we completely abandoned it. Part of it is the down and distances we found ourselves in in the first half and the lack of offensive possessions. The second half was playing catch up and no time to run the ball I get it but we should have tried harder to run earlier. But 11 total rushes in this game 4 of them by Pat is unacceptable.

Pat getting cute - a couple of times Pat could have rushed for more yardage and he tried his getting cute tricks to hold the defenders. They were on to it and not biting. He needs to learn sometimes you just take off running and get what you can.

Next year -

Even though he mostly disappeared in the playoffs (possibly due to game plan) I would like to see Dhop back if he has one more year. I would also like to see Brown come back on a one year deal again. Kelce looked like he was tired, I'm not sure he comes back for his final contract year - maybe he does, reinvigorated by this horrible loss, we will see. I think the defense is going to suffer the most with player losses as we won't have the money to resign them all. I believe Reid, Omenihu, and Bolton to name a few and others will be looking for another contract.

Lessons learned - Doesn't matter how many weapons you give Pat if you can't block for him you won't win. Gotta keep the OL in the forefront of our planning. As we have seen twice now Pat running for his life is a recipe for disaster.

Thank you all for reading my thoughts after games this year. I appreciate the feedback and enjoy trying to keep a lid on the crazy that permeates this forum at times.

See you during the draft!

Chris Meck · 02-10-2025, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by milkshock

Are we allowed to talk about the refs?

No.

NO.

Losers bitch about the refs.

We lost a Super Bowl, but we're not losers.

Red Dawg · 02-10-2025, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by milkshock

Are we allowed to talk about the refs?

Media drove the two personal folks but their DL killed our OL. That was the game.

scho63 · 02-10-2025, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

D-Hop is done. He's going to be 33. He's not a good fit with this offense anyway.

Brown would be a great #3 WR depending on his contract demands.

Bolton needs to be back. They have nobody to replace him. Reid is hard to replace also but he'll probably get a bigger contract elsewhere.

Excellent take.

scho63 · 02-10-2025, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by milkshock

Are we allowed to talk about the refs?

They played no part in our loss.

tmax63 · 02-10-2025, 07:48 AM

When 5 or 6 guys can't block 4 you're screwed. And when PMII gets sacked and hit early and often he gets happy feet. And when coaches are too stubborn to ditch the gameplan and make changes to the blocking scheme it leads to a 24-0 halftime score. It looked like a close game until they imploded in the 2nd qtr and waiting to make changes until the half was stupid. The D played well but when you play a games worth of snaps in the 1st half they are gonna get worn down.

tooge · 02-10-2025, 08:16 AM

I'm at ease with the loss. I'd have rather had a win, but it happens. This will kill much of the bs refs narrative that has been around the past few seasons. There was no NFL conspiracy to get the Chiefs a 3 peat. A couple of crappy calls extended drives for the Iggles, the O line, particularly the tackles, got their shit pushed in, Andy decided not to run the ball at all in the first half. This is what you get.

DenverChief · 02-10-2025, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tooge

I'm at ease with the loss. I'd have rather had a win, but it happens. This will kill much of the bs refs narrative that has been around the past few seasons. There was no NFL conspiracy to get the Chiefs a 3 peat. A couple of crappy calls extended drives for the Iggles, the O line, particularly the tackles, got their shit pushed in, Andy decided not to run the ball at all in the first half. This is what you get.

I still don't understand why we didn't shift Humphries in at half and move Thuney back to Guard. Down 24-0 you really have nothing to lose.

DJJasonp · 02-10-2025, 10:22 AM

Need WRs that can get separation. Period.

Especially with a shitty OL.

And devise a new running scheme....as our current one sucks.

Ecto-I · 02-10-2025, 10:38 AM

This is a much more tolerable thread than the others where 1 bad game = fire everyone, clean house, and trade all of our picks for a LT.

FACT: We need to improve our O-line.

Also FACT: We have a lot of FAs especially on defense.

Like it or not, it's not a simple solution that can be solved with free agency. We need some of our draft picks on O-line to pan out ie Kingsley, Norzad, and Hansen. Between our two holes at LT and RG, we need probably one very good FA and address the other either with what we have or in the draft.

On Defense, Reid, Bolton, Omenihu, and Wharton are key FAs. I think we're covered at safety with Hicks in the wings, but we probably need to bring Bolton back and shore up the D-line in free agency along with 1 high draft pick in the first 2 rounds.

At WR I think we can bring back either Dhop or Hollywood on another 1 year deal bc neither had amazing production this year. That gives us a solid top 3 with Worthy and Rice.

At TE, I think Kelce comes back. He's fine. Still a top 5 TE. Hopefully Wiley can take a big step this year (a la Kelce in his second year).

FloridaMan88 · 02-10-2025, 10:44 AM

The Rams were much more competitive and played Philly closer than the Chiefs, despite Stafford getting sacked 5 times.

Two big differences are the Rams being able to run the ball… Kyren Williams with 100+ yards rushing… and more production from their WR’s/TE’s.

GordonGekko · 02-10-2025, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

I still don't understand why we didn't shift Humphries in at half and move Thuney back to Guard. Down 24-0 you really have nothing to lose.

Yeah considering that potential combo is what they thought we'd be when they traded for Humphries, I think Andy in his old age is resistant to change and likes to "stick it out" which can harm or be a good thing depends on the situation. Obviously it was rational to think they could have made that switch and see what happens, the left side of the line was getting stomped, the whole line was really

GordonGekko · 02-10-2025, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

The Rams were much more competitive and played Philly closer than the Chiefs, despite Stafford getting sacked 5 times.

Two big differences are the Rams being able to run the ball… Kyren Williams with 100+ yards rushing… and more production from their WR’s/TE’s.

I think this is really telling about the gameplan that is out there in the NFL for teams to follow to neutralize Mahomes, Mahomes needs to reinvent himself along with getting an updated OL

irafreak · 02-10-2025, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

To be clear - this was not an offensive Eagles beat down as much as it was a Defensive dressing down. Had the Chiefs been able to move the ball this would have been a much closer game. But you can’t keep giving the ball to the other team and not expect them to score at some point.

The Eagles possessed the ball 14 times (including the pick 6) for 37 minutes The Chiefs possessed the ball 13 times for 23 minutes.

The pick six to make it 17-0 and the following interception just before half that lead to a TD to make it 24-0 was the back breakers. Neither of were the Defense fault.

And as lopsided as the top ended up being...it was worse because the top actually leveled out after the game was out if reach. We only had the ball for like 5 or 6 minutes in the first half. Nobody wins like that.

trndobrd · 02-10-2025, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko

I think this is really telling about the gameplan that is out there in the NFL for teams to follow to neutralize Mahomes, Mahomes needs to reinvent himself along with getting an updated OL

The front four getting constant pressure isn’t so much a game plan as a capability. Only the Eagles have a front 4 that can consistently get that kind of pressure without blitzes.

Once the Chiefs abandoned the run (apparently during the offense install last week) the Eagles D line could sell out on pressure….and that was it.

el borracho · 02-10-2025, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

I'll wait for the snap count but I didn't even see him in the game until the second half. It looked to be primarily Hollywood, Worthy and Juju with a sprinkling of Watson.

By my memory Hopkins dropped a sure 1st down just before halftime. And Kelce dropped two 1st downs.

Not sure any of it would have mattered as the poor performance of the O Line pretty well doomed any chance the Chiefs had. But just like the Tampa Bay Super Bowl the receivers failed even when Patrick did his part.

02-09-2025, 10:25 PM
DenverChief Pedantic Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rocky Ford Casino cash: $3072617	A Level Headed Review Super Bowl LIX First and foremost congratulations to the Philadelphia Eagles on a fantastic game plan. They knew what our weakness was and they exploited it to the max. First a couple of bright spots - The Defense did a helluva job keeping us in the game for as long as they did. The final score should have been 29-22. If not for Pats two ill timed passes one for a pick six, this game is much closer. Hurts and Barkley had good games but it wasn't anything spectacular. Mcduffie had a very difficult assignment against AJ Brown and while he didn't shut him out he definitely didn't allow him to run wild. So major accolades to the Defense. One minor note to mention Bolton has to be using his head out there - the unnecessary roughness call was ticky tacky but don't even put yourself in the position to let the official make a judgement call. Xavier Worthy really came into his own tonight (8/8 157 yards 2 TDs). Worthy has a very bright future with the Chiefs and will make this offense explosive again, Dhop has done a wonderful job of mentoring this young man. Outside of Dhop (late in the game) Worthy was the only receiver to have an impact on this game. The Ugly - This is the second time we have lost a Super Bowl because of our O-Line. Flat out each turnover was a direct result of the offensive line (Specifically the left side) getting their sht pushed in. Thuney is an amazing guard and a serviceable left tackle. But when you play the #1 defense serviceable just doesn't cut it. Caliendo is below average at guard and just got destroyed out there by a superior opponent. Offensive line MUST be something that is worked on in the off season. It must have been really telling about DJ Humphries abilities if they didn't even consider making the half time adjustment to move him out there and put Thuney back at guard. NO RUNNING GAME - we saw so much success with running Kareem Hunt during the playoffs and we completely abandoned it. Part of it is the down and distances we found ourselves in in the first half and the lack of offensive possessions. The second half was playing catch up and no time to run the ball I get it but we should have tried harder to run earlier. But 11 total rushes in this game 4 of them by Pat is unacceptable. Pat getting cute - a couple of times Pat could have rushed for more yardage and he tried his getting cute tricks to hold the defenders. They were on to it and not biting. He needs to learn sometimes you just take off running and get what you can. Next year - Even though he mostly disappeared in the playoffs (possibly due to game plan) I would like to see Dhop back if he has one more year. I would also like to see Brown come back on a one year deal again. Kelce looked like he was tired, I'm not sure he comes back for his final contract year - maybe he does, reinvigorated by this horrible loss, we will see. I think the defense is going to suffer the most with player losses as we won't have the money to resign them all. I believe Reid, Omenihu, and Bolton to name a few and others will be looking for another contract. Lessons learned - Doesn't matter how many weapons you give Pat if you can't block for him you won't win. Gotta keep the OL in the forefront of our planning. As we have seen twice now Pat running for his life is a recipe for disaster. Thank you all for reading my thoughts after games this year. I appreciate the feedback and enjoy trying to keep a lid on the crazy that permeates this forum at times. See you during the draft! Last edited by DenverChief; 02-09-2025 at 10:30 PM..*
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tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $844112	I'm at ease with the loss. I'd have rather had a win, but it happens. This will kill much of the bs refs narrative that has been around the past few seasons. There was no NFL conspiracy to get the Chiefs a 3 peat. A couple of crappy calls extended drives for the Iggles, the O line, particularly the tackles, got their shit pushed in, Andy decided not to run the ball at all in the first half. This is what you get.
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DJJasonp My work speaks for itself!!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $-1624800	Need WRs that can get separation. Period. Especially with a shitty OL. And devise a new running scheme....as our current one sucks. __________________ Its easier to fool a man, than to convince a man he's been fooled.
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Ecto-I The only way to Travel. Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: In the car Casino cash: $3043602	This is a much more tolerable thread than the others where 1 bad game = fire everyone, clean house, and trade all of our picks for a LT. FACT: We need to improve our O-line. Also FACT: We have a lot of FAs especially on defense. Like it or not, it's not a simple solution that can be solved with free agency. We need some of our draft picks on O-line to pan out ie Kingsley, Norzad, and Hansen. Between our two holes at LT and RG, we need probably one very good FA and address the other either with what we have or in the draft. On Defense, Reid, Bolton, Omenihu, and Wharton are key FAs. I think we're covered at safety with Hicks in the wings, but we probably need to bring Bolton back and shore up the D-line in free agency along with 1 high draft pick in the first 2 rounds. At WR I think we can bring back either Dhop or Hollywood on another 1 year deal bc neither had amazing production this year. That gives us a solid top 3 with Worthy and Rice. At TE, I think Kelce comes back. He's fine. Still a top 5 TE. Hopefully Wiley can take a big step this year (a la Kelce in his second year).
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FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-477094	The Rams were much more competitive and played Philly closer than the Chiefs, despite Stafford getting sacked 5 times. Two big differences are the Rams being able to run the ball… Kyren Williams with 100+ yards rushing… and more production from their WR’s/TE’s.
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