What is wrong with Mahomes' deep ball?

[TLO]

I was in the camp most of the season in saying that these guys are going to get on the same page, and eventually the deep shots will start hitting.

After today, I'm not sure this is the case.

Is this an offensive line issue? Just not enough time for Mahomes to set and fire an accurate deep ball?

Is it an WR issue? We have 1 burner in Worthy, but the rest of our receivers are slow.

Is it a Mahomes issue?

Someone smarter than me tell me what's going on.

[New World Order]

Clayster ain’t worried

[chiefzilla1501]

I also wonder how much of this is about thinking about the throw. Anybody who’s ever played infield knows the feeling when you start thinking about that throw to first base. I’ve often felt that he throws a really good deep ball off platform. He is worse when his feet are set and he steps into a throw.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I also wonder how much of this is about thinking about the throw. Anybody who’s ever played infield knows the feeling when you start thinking about that throw to first base. I’ve often felt that he throws a really good deep ball off platform. He is worse when his feet are set and he steps into a throw.

That's really all I've got for why there's such a huge difference between the average shitty drive and the last minute come from behind or OT drive (or a couple hurry up drives here and there)... there are (theoretically) times when he's trying to work on things with the offense and so forth, and there are times when he's trying to win a game. And the latter is when he gets out of his head about it and just plays football.

Then you get into the playoffs and it's far more Kelce, far more DHop, getting out of the pocket more to create the dual threat of taking off... just anything to keep the chains moving.

We all saw what happened in the Bucs SB... he ran for 10 miles behind the LoS and was still hitting guys 40 yards downfield (even if balls were going through hands and bouncing off helmets). Pressure only does so much.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Think about it...you have a lot of looks you havent shown all year and you deliberately start every game conservatively....if you arent in a position of needing to use them, why would you?

Save that shit for you absolutely need it...I dont think this NFL record of one score games is an accident. Every game kind of looks the same regardless of opponent...and they still haven't topped 30 points.

You really think KC showed the Bills anything?

Well that'd be all good and fine if it wasn't for the fact that

A. The plays that they are calling are perfectly fine and if excited correctly would absolutely work.

B. Patrick and pretty much the entire team looks pissed after most of these games and you can tell they are frustrated they aren't playing better.

No amount of advanced play calling is gonna matter if they don't execute.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Those pressure percentages just don’t match up with the eye test.

On many of those today, it’s him scrambling up into pressure in the pocket.

Thuney was as solid of LT play as we’ve had all year. He might have to stay out there, IDK.

At some point if this team is going to get it done, Patrick’s gotta snap out of this mental funk and execute the offense. He’s got way too much going on between the ears right now and it’s making issues around him look even bigger.

He has to anticipate and let the ball rip. Stop trying to be so perfect and aim these throws. That’s what it looks like to me.

That's because pressure also accounts for when Mahomes holds on to the ball too long and when they leave a clean pocket. Which Mahomes does.

He has the same pocket time as Josh Allen and Burrow this season at 2.3 seconds

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Well that'd be all good and fine if it wasn't for the fact that

A. The plays that they are calling are perfectly fine and if excited correctly would absolutely work.

B. Patrick and pretty much the entire team looks pissed after most of these games and you can tell they are frustrated they aren't playing better.

No amount of advanced play calling is gonna matter if they don't execute.

And don't get your quarterback killed in the process.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by -King-

That's because pressure also accounts for when Mahomes holds on to the ball too long and when they leave a clean pocket. Which Mahomes does.

He has the same pocket time as Josh Allen and Burrow this season at 2.3 seconds

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

That doesn't sound accurate with Allen. He drops back and has a million years to throw. Been the case every time I watch Buffalo.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Clayster ain’t worried

19 of 20.

8 of those 19 are because Mahomes led a game-winning drive. Hell maybe 9, not sure if the playoff game in Buffalo counts. Chiefs took the lead early in the 4th.

Anyway, please and thank you.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

That's really all I've got for why there's such a huge difference between the average shitty drive and the last minute come from behind or OT drive (or a couple hurry up drives here and there)... there are (theoretically) times when he's trying to work on things with the offense and so forth, and there are times when he's trying to win a game. And the latter is when he gets out of his head about it and just plays football.

Then you get into the playoffs and it's far more Kelce, far more DHop, getting out of the pocket more to create the dual threat of taking off... just anything to keep the chains moving.

We all saw what happened in the Bucs SB... he ran for 10 miles behind the LoS and was still hitting guys 40 yards downfield (even if balls were going through hands and bouncing off helmets). Pressure only does so much.

This post rocks. It’s everything I’ve been thinking but haven’t been able to get out in the way you just did.

It really felt like today he decided, **** it, IDC what the circumstances suggest, I’m going to hit on some deep throws. At a minimum I’m going to at least look for them as primary reads often.

So many of these regular season games for the offense do have a practice-y feel to them.

But if they start rolling in the playoffs it’s gonna be because they just locked the **** in and started playing free.

[O.city]

They’re not “practicing”

They’re playing shitty.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Give him the time Josh Allen is getting in the pocket this year and you’re looking at a completely different discussion but it seems most would rather not have that discussion.

I get it. We can’t expect him to make big plays under pressure or from clean pockets because he has PTSD.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by O.city

They’re not “practicing”

They’re playing shitty.

Well no shit. But if you’re making a concerted effort to force deep throws even when they aren’t there, then you aren’t staying true to the offense and how’s it’s supposed to be ran. You’re trying to practice something that you haven’t been doing well all year long and the offense is suffering because of it.

[Rainbarrel]

It's climate change

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Well no shit. But if you’re making a concerted effort to force deep throws even when they aren’t there, then you aren’t staying true to the offense and how’s it’s supposed to be ran. You’re trying to practice something that you haven’t been doing well all year long and the offense is suffering because of it.

Making it worse by trying to do that crap in 25 mph wind mixed with wet ball/rain. Strange approach. Thankfully the KC defense offset those wasted plays by Mahomes & Andy today.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Making it worse by trying to do that crap in 25 mph wind mixed with wet ball/rain. Strange approach. Thankfully the KC defense offset those wasted plays by Mahomes & Andy today.

It truly reminded me of a kid who was bored with his Madden franchise and just decided to throw every down because nothing else sounded fun. And that’s been a lot of the past few weeks really.

Thankfully we didn’t have a day like Detroit losing a bunch more bodies for the year. But the playoffs can’t come fast enough cause I’m not sure anything good can come of these regular season games besides wins anymore.