Chiefs A Level Headed Review Week 1 2023 - Page 4

DenverChief · 10:31 AM

1. WR's - Specifically Kadarius Toney - you can tell missing training camp has hurt him. Timing is off for the WR's and Patrick. Several throws behind receivers and just route confusion (James running in front of Toney causing him to lose the ball). This is the part about not playing starters more in the pre-season that concerns me. Have got to get a rhythm down on offense. Missing in action was Richie James (1 Catch on 2 Targets), Skyy Moore (0 for 3), Toney (1 for 5). MVS was 2 for 2 but disappeared after halftime. Somebody has to step up and be the guy when Kelce can't.

2. Jawaan Taylor and that early jump finally got called. Gotta figure that out - that is going to bite us hard later in the season. The OL did a decent job protecting Patrick but there were a few drives Hutchinson was just terrorizing the OL. Trey Smith looked completely overmatched by Hutchinson a few times.

3. The Defense only gave up 14 points - quite an accomplishment missing Chris Jones. I would argue the bigger missing factor was Kelce. The defense was gassed by the end of the game because the offense couldn't stay on the field. I was impressed by FAU, Bolton and Danna. Less impressive was tackling lots of guys trying to arm tackle instead of wrapping up - gotta get that cleaned up. Some of the open over the middle stuff was because we had to stack the box to stop the run. Without Jones able to clog it up the linebackers have to play closer to the line and that opens the middle window up.

4. Patrick lost his first season opener - was bound to happen sometime - glad it's just the first game of 16 more to be played.

5. The Pick 6 was all on Toney - ball just bricked in his hands. Gotta hit the jugs machine and make those hands soft again.

6. Running Backs - never gave McKinnon the chance to run the ball and CEH was once again 2-3 yards running the ball. Incredibly frustrating. Pacheco was the lone bright spot - don't understand why they don't feed him the ball more when It's working. He was ripping off 4,5,6,7 yard runs. Then there was the trick play on 3rd and 1 late in the game. Just give it to Pacheco - they read the ****ery before we even snapped the ball (and should have snapped it when they jumped offsides).

7. I firmly believe all of this is correctable. There isn't one thing that can't be ironed out with repetition and timing. I am not worried one bit this will be a season long trend. I am just frustrated there isn't more focus on letting the starters gel. I know the 3rd pre-season game is to help the bubble players but what does it hurt to give the starters a full quarter to play and feel things out.

8. I know Noah Grey is a fan favorite but I wonder how Bushman would have fared - he seemed to be really good at finding the holes in the D in the preseason. TE needs to be more productive.

9. Patrick was frustrated - you could see it in his face all night, if it wasn't receivers dropping balls it was being harassed in the pocket - by one guy. I thought for sure he would turn that frustration into focus and get the team on the same page and it seemed like it worked for a while but it fell apart in the 4th quarter. Maybe more conditioning is needed, seemed like a very hot a humid night in KC.

10. Next week at Jacksonville isn't going to get any easier - gotta turn this loss into focus and motivation. IF it goes how I think it will - there will be no mercy on JAX.

DenverChief · 09-08-2023, 07:28 PM

Great Break Down of the James/Toney crosser mixup - Mahomes needs to let the play develop a bit more and James ran the route too deep.

Megatron96 · 09-08-2023, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

Last night was not a good showing by these WRs, but let’s wait until week 16-18 to revisit these evaluations before pronouncing them as the worst WRs in the league.

Reread my post to be sure, and now I'm 100% certain that I never called them "the worst WRs in the league."

I also stated that there were play-calling issues, and that Pat himself didn't have a great game, so I spread the blame around beyond the WR room.

And the last thing I wrote was that it would probably take about two months for them to get squared away.

Chiefs4TheWin · 09-08-2023, 08:10 PM

The drops costed us the game 100%. There's no other way to put it. We win if every drop was caught.

DenverChief · 09-08-2023, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs4TheWin

The drops costed us the game 100%. There's no other way to put it. We win if every drop was caught.

Hell - I'd take two - the last drive Toney drop and the pick 6 tip/drop - those alone win us the game

Hydrae · 09-08-2023, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

Hell - I'd take two - the last drive Toney drop and the pick 6 tip/drop - those alone win us the game

Without the pick 6, the rest is moot.

Nightfyre · 09-08-2023, 09:05 PM

I am not usually a fan of "the team needed a lesson" speculation, but Patrick's own words convinced me that the team needed a wakeup call. You are going to get every teams super bowl energy, and you need to be prepared for that every week. That reality is news to the first and second year players, and we have a lot of them in some key roles. The good news is that the team is a couple drops away from winning anyway, without the second and third best players in the game. Patrick will be riding his offense hard this week, and I am here for it.

Stryker · 09-08-2023, 09:09 PM

Did not read any of this so my opinion is this...
There is no reason for concern, we LOST against the Colts last season and still WON THE SB! Panic flags right now are just plain foolish! WE ARE THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS! Oh gee we lost to the Lions by 1 ****ing point. I am glad it was against an NFC team. We will learn from this and move forward! GEAUX CHIEFS!

**BigRedChief** · 09-08-2023, 09:16 PM

Do you guys ever look at the all-22? I watched part of it. Mahomes missed easy deep throws to MVS who was open by at least 5 yards 3 times on two drives in the 3rd quarter. And Watson was open deep several times.

Is it always like that? He’s the best ever and still miss taking those throws when he’s looking that way?

Chris Meck · 09-08-2023, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Do you guys ever look at the all-22? I watched part of it. Mahomes missed easy deep throws to MVS who was open by at least 5 yards 3 times on two drives in the 3rd quarter. And Watson was open deep several times.

Is it always like that? He’s the best ever and still miss taking those throws when he’s looking that way?

They were out of synch. First action with live bullets, so to speak, with a lot of new faces. It's going to be ok, they'll get it together.

KobesPilot · 09-08-2023, 09:50 PM

Didn't jaawan lead the NFL in holding penalties out of any other OL last year?

Had and still have a bad feeling about him being on the team.

JPH83 · 09-09-2023, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

Great Break Down of the James/Toney crosser mixup - Mahomes needs to let the play develop a bit more and James ran the route too deep.

Man Donovan Smith is not the answer, Jesus

chiefzilla1501 · 09-09-2023, 04:53 AM

Clyde still has an uncanny way of running right into the pile. I will give him this… the guy does tend to gain more than he loses. And that includes short yardage. I guess he’s adequate enough since a lot of his role is really to keep our other RBs a little fresher for when we hit our run.

crispystl · 09-09-2023, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I like how CEH can be bad while Pacheco had a good game of ripping off solid gains... while gaining less yards than CEH.

I mentioned it in another thread actually. I thought Pacheco looked like he was running timid. It looked like him and Toney both were trying to avoid getting injured. He wasn’t running as hard as last year imop.

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IowaHawkeyeChief · 09-09-2023, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

Great Break Down of the James/Toney crosser mixup - Mahomes needs to let the play develop a bit more and James ran the route too deep.

Wow, it looks like McKinnon should have been the first read and he probably walks in...

IowaHawkeyeChief · 09-09-2023, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83

Man Donovan Smith is not the answer, Jesus

Nothing wrong with the play based on the likely line call. Hutchinson was lined up on that side and Smith knows he has help on the inside so he makes sure he takes care of the outside speed rush, Hutchinson comes back inside and Thuney cleans him up.

09-07-2023, 09:48 PM
DenverChief Pedantic Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rocky Ford Casino cash: $3072617	A Level Headed Review Week 1 2023 1. WR's - Specifically Kadarius Toney - you can tell missing training camp has hurt him. Timing is off for the WR's and Patrick. Several throws behind receivers and just route confusion (James running in front of Toney causing him to lose the ball). This is the part about not playing starters more in the pre-season that concerns me. Have got to get a rhythm down on offense. Missing in action was Richie James (1 Catch on 2 Targets), Skyy Moore (0 for 3), Toney (1 for 5). MVS was 2 for 2 but disappeared after halftime. Somebody has to step up and be the guy when Kelce can't. 2. Jawaan Taylor and that early jump finally got called. Gotta figure that out - that is going to bite us hard later in the season. The OL did a decent job protecting Patrick but there were a few drives Hutchinson was just terrorizing the OL. Trey Smith looked completely overmatched by Hutchinson a few times. 3. The Defense only gave up 14 points - quite an accomplishment missing Chris Jones. I would argue the bigger missing factor was Kelce. The defense was gassed by the end of the game because the offense couldn't stay on the field. I was impressed by FAU, Bolton and Danna. Less impressive was tackling lots of guys trying to arm tackle instead of wrapping up - gotta get that cleaned up. Some of the open over the middle stuff was because we had to stack the box to stop the run. Without Jones able to clog it up the linebackers have to play closer to the line and that opens the middle window up. 4. Patrick lost his first season opener - was bound to happen sometime - glad it's just the first game of 16 more to be played. 5. The Pick 6 was all on Toney - ball just bricked in his hands. Gotta hit the jugs machine and make those hands soft again. 6. Running Backs - never gave McKinnon the chance to run the ball and CEH was once again 2-3 yards running the ball. Incredibly frustrating. Pacheco was the lone bright spot - don't understand why they don't feed him the ball more when It's working. He was ripping off 4,5,6,7 yard runs. Then there was the trick play on 3rd and 1 late in the game. Just give it to Pacheco - they read the ***ery before we even snapped the ball (and should have snapped it when they jumped offsides). 7. I firmly believe all of this is correctable. There isn't one thing that can't be ironed out with repetition and timing. I am not worried one bit this will be a season long trend. I am just frustrated there isn't more focus on letting the starters gel. I know the 3rd pre-season game is to help the bubble players but what does it hurt to give the starters a full quarter to play and feel things out. 8. I know Noah Grey is a fan favorite but I wonder how Bushman would have fared - he seemed to be really good at finding the holes in the D in the preseason. TE needs to be more productive. 9. Patrick was frustrated - you could see it in his face all night, if it wasn't receivers dropping balls it was being harassed in the pocket - by one guy. I thought for sure he would turn that frustration into focus and get the team on the same page and it seemed like it worked for a while but it fell apart in the 4th quarter. Maybe more conditioning is needed, seemed like a very hot a humid night in KC. 10. Next week at Jacksonville isn't going to get any easier - gotta turn this loss into focus and motivation. IF it goes how I think it will - there will be no mercy on JAX. Last edited by DenverChief; 09-08-2023 at 10:31 AM..*
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09-08-2023, 07:28 PM	#46
DenverChief Pedantic Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rocky Ford Casino cash: $3072617	Great Break Down of the James/Toney crosser mixup - Mahomes needs to let the play develop a bit more and James ran the route too deep.
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09-08-2023, 08:10 PM	#48
Chiefs4TheWin Veteran Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hollidaysburg, PA Casino cash: $1292783	The drops costed us the game 100%. There's no other way to put it. We win if every drop was caught.
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09-08-2023, 09:05 PM	#51
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $1378849	I am not usually a fan of "the team needed a lesson" speculation, but Patrick's own words convinced me that the team needed a wakeup call. You are going to get every teams super bowl energy, and you need to be prepared for that every week. That reality is news to the first and second year players, and we have a lot of them in some key roles. The good news is that the team is a couple drops away from winning anyway, without the second and third best players in the game. Patrick will be riding his offense hard this week, and I am here for it.
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09-08-2023, 09:09 PM	#52
Stryker Super Bowl LVIII Champions! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Casino cash: $-245364	Did not read any of this so my opinion is this... There is no reason for concern, we LOST against the Colts last season and still WON THE SB! Panic flags right now are just plain foolish! WE ARE THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS! Oh gee we lost to the Lions by 1 ****ing point. I am glad it was against an NFC team. We will learn from this and move forward! GEAUX CHIEFS! __________________ Super Bowl LVIII Champions!
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09-08-2023, 09:16 PM	#53
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-531038 VARSITY	Do you guys ever look at the all-22? I watched part of it. Mahomes missed easy deep throws to MVS who was open by at least 5 yards 3 times on two drives in the 3rd quarter. And Watson was open deep several times. Is it always like that? He’s the best ever and still miss taking those throws when he’s looking that way? __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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KobesPilot Starter Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: Off hwy 101 in Calabasas Casino cash: $-240000	Didn't jaawan lead the NFL in holding penalties out of any other OL last year? Had and still have a bad feeling about him being on the team.
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09-09-2023, 04:53 AM	#57
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1535503	Clyde still has an uncanny way of running right into the pile. I will give him this… the guy does tend to gain more than he loses. And that includes short yardage. I guess he’s adequate enough since a lot of his role is really to keep our other RBs a little fresher for when we hit our run.
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