Narratives That Need to Die

[Bearcat]

2021:

Spoiler!

Fallacy: Games are created equal.
Possible Narrative: Any given win streak is impressive.
The Truth: Beating non-playoff teams in the regular season doesn't mean shit for the playoffs. Beating several non-playoff teams in the regular season doesn't mean shit for the playoffs. Losing to non-playoff teams isn't indicative of much, either, unless of course it's a habit.
Examples: The Bills being -->this<-- close to winning 12 in a row despite beating only 2 playoff teams in that span, who were both eliminated in the first weekend. The Bucs "being on a roll" because they beat a bunch of shit in December, after losing to 3 playoff teams in 4 games. As far as losing to non-playoff teams, see the Chiefs/Raiders and the numerous times the Patriots have struggled in September or lost to the Dolphins.

Possible Narrative: Strength of Victory/Strength of Schedule always matters.
The Truth: Beating a bunch of ~9-10 win mediocre teams doesn't mean anything when it comes to beating true Super Bowl contenders. The only indicator when it comes to success against true Super Bowl contenders is beating Super Bowl contenders (or at least contending). SoV/SoS tends to matter more when you're looking at a complete cupcake schedule.
Examples: See, Bills. In terms of "success against true SB contenders" and cupcake schedules, see the Browns' schedule and Packers' schedule.


Fallacy: Regular season results are truly indicative of playoff success.
Possible Narrative: Any given 11+ win team is primed to upset an experienced playoff team.
The Truth: The playoffs are a different beast and playoff experience matters. A lot.
Examples: Browns, Bills, Ravens for the past two seasons.

Possible Narrative: Point differential matters.
The Truth: It can matter in extreme cases, such as an 11-win Browns team having a negative point differential. It may matter to a certain extent, but is a small part of the overall big picture. One reason for this is that garbage time points can skew point differential as well as perception. A team can be in control of a game and up three possessions, but a couple of last minute touchdowns makes the outcome look far closer than it really was. For this reason and others, point differential certainly does not matter against non-playoff teams.
Examples: The Bills blowing out non-playoff teams. The Chiefs not blowing out non-playoff teams (or most teams).


Fallacy: Regular season momentum exists.
Possible Narrative: "They have all the momentums!"
The Truth: No. They don't.
Examples: Bills and now the Bucs.

Possible Narrative: Teams can't flip a switch.
The Truth: A team with playoff experience and success can certainly play vanilla in the regular season and do things to avoid injury, etc; and then dig deep into the playbook while recklessly throwing themselves into defenders when the games really matter.
Examples: The Defending Super Bowl Champion Kansas City Chiefs

Possible Narrative: Team is on a roll, they clearly want it more, etc.
The Truth: No. They aren't and they don't.
Examples: Every fan base who's shown up here in the past 3 months.

Possible Narrative: Teams can be rusty after resting their starters.
The Truth: A team won't forget how to execute in a matter of 2-3 weeks. Playoff pressure, playing playoff teams for a change, bad playoff match ups... are all more likely reasons for losing.
Examples: The Defending Super Bowl Champion Kansas City Chiefs.


Fallacy: Red zone percentages is all you need to know about red zone performance.
Possible narrative: Just look at their red zone percentage for the season!
The Truth: Reliance on red zone trips to score also matters. The number of trips for/against matters.
Examples: The Chiefs' defense sucks in the red zone (76% against), but allow the 6th fewest attempts. So, you have to get there first. The Chiefs offense is ~20th in the league, but only score 65% of their total TDs from the red zone, as opposed to some opponents scoring 80% or even 90% of their total TDs from the red zone.

Possible narrative: Just look at their red zone percentage in the past 4 weeks!
The Truth: Small sample size + variables across only a few games makes this percentage almost pointless, as a team could move 10 or 20% and 10+ spots in a matter of 1 or two conversions or failed conversions.


Fallacy: Time of Possession matters
Possible narrative: (Team) will run it down the Chiefs' throats, control TOP, and keep Mahomes on the sidelines.
The Truth: Possessions matter and touchdowns matter. A team can take 8 minutes off the clock with a 15 play drive, and the Chiefs might still score in 2 minutes. Capitalizing on possessions is key.
Examples: https://youtu.be/F-kggF9B-F8?t=201


Fallacy: Chiefs fans are now arrogant assholes
The Truth: Only some of us! We've just grown tired of hearing these same old pointless narratives over and over and over. It's not that the Chiefs are invincible, it's just that these tired, idiotic narratives won't help your case or your team's chances.


Fallacy: Everything is black and white.
Possible narrative: "You're full of shit because ___________!"
The Truth: All of these truths.

New for 2023-24!

Fallacy: Big underdogs willing themselves to victory in the playoffs.
Possible Narrative: The underdog has nothing to lose! They'll B-E aggressive!
The Truth: Mahomes has only ever lost to Brady and Burrow in the playoffs, and two of those games went to OT. Stop worrying about every brokedick quarterback, every run-first team, every "tHeY'rE cOnFiDeNt AnD nOt InTimIdAtEd!!" team.
Examples: Being fearful of the Browns, Jags, the Titans FFS.

Fallacy: Paying a franchise QB handcuffs your team towards mediocrity (or at least fewer Super Bowls)
Possible Narrative: Rebuild year, reload year, the imminent demise of the Kansas City Chiefs, and the general "complete team vs quarterback".
The Truth: The quarterback position is pretty important. It's so important, in fact, you can get away with having an average or below average defense, a mediocre run game, unproven receivers, and so on... even to the extent that a one-legged franchise QB is better than most NFL teams. Obviously, the rest of the team can't suck ass and there's always a fine line between winning and losing in the biggest games of the year, where those other pieces matter the most, but you wouldn't be in that position if it weren't for paying the man.

Possible Narrative: The Chiefs need to retain non-Mahomes guy or sign the best player at their position in free agency.
The Truth: A franchise QB makes up for lesser talent elsewhere on the roster, and having the top QB in the league is a much larger gap than "only" having a top 15 guy at another position.
Examples: Tyreek, Hopkins, needing the best LT ever, etc.

Fallacy: The NFL is out to **** the Chiefs.
Possible Narrative: Every loss is rigged for whatever reason is made up after they lose. Basically everything that happens is the NFL's way of figuring out how to **** the Chiefs.
The Truth: Can we please just let this one ****ing go? The Chiefs won the AFCCG and SB on defensive penalties at the end of the game and still didn't have to play a road (or neutral site!) game. I think we're good.
Examples: Every single loss. Hamlin is the drama the NFL needs to push the Bills to the SB... oh, and the NFL wants to experiment with neutral sites forever after they force the Chiefs to play in Atlanta. Ratings. Fly over country. Vegas. New stadiums.

Fallacy: Regular season momentum exists.
Possible Narrative: Teams can't flip a switch. (this is from the 2021 version, but should be reiterated)
The Truth: A team with playoff experience and success can certainly play vanilla in the regular season and do things to avoid injury, etc; and then dig deep into the playbook while recklessly throwing themselves into defenders when the games really matter.
Examples: The Defending Super Bowl Champion Kansas City Chiefs

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by scho63

Enjoying this lovely Arizona weather?

I heard parts of Phoenix got hail the other day, and then the far north side got snow.

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Good stuff.

Along with this narrative I would add that not all points scored are created equal. Garbage time points when a team is down 3 scores doesn't really mean anything yet they effect point differential and can skew perceptions.

Points given up when a team is behind, tied, or leading by 8 or less points is a bigger indicator of how effective your defense is.

For example KC's knack for giving up very few 2nd and 3rd quarter points is very large in their ability to consistently win. They have also been good in tight games in the 4th quarter when needed. Obviously the 1st Raiders game is the only exception and one outlier is not a pattern.

Good points, added this to the OP.

Originally Posted by O.city

Only one I'd push back on is the "switch flipping".

The Chiefs are about the only damn football team I've seen be able to do it like they do.

I've seen a few people talk about it this week... after weeks of "but point differential!", Cowherd compared the Chiefs to an NBA dynasty and "shutting it down".

The only other example off the top of my head is the Patriots... they would generally keep their foot on the gas all season, but did win a Super Bowl or two after struggling in December.

99% of teams just can't rely on a last minute TD drive to beat the Falcons or the Raiders, etc.... the level of consistency and seemingly being able to do whatever the hell they want on offense when they're backed into a corner is truly remarkable.

[Seanathon]

In Werner Herzog's Grizzly man, Werner explained that behind the eyes of a bear Timothy Treadwell saw human qualities like empathy, love, and compassion. Tim was the protagonist who was eventually eaten by a bear. Werner went on to say in stark contrast to Tim's perspective that he only saw the cold indifference of nature in the bear's eyes.

That is the Kansas City Chiefs right now; Absolute bone chilling indifference to what any other team presents or any person has to say. If the Chiefs are hungry they are going to eat. Its as sure as the sunrise and it does not care what you think of it.

Arrogance is no longer arrogance when it is true.

[eDave]

I had my first Red Robin hamburger last week. Yea, it's a hamburger.

I did get some packets of their seasoning and now put that shit on everything. Especially grilled chickens.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by eDave

I had my first Red Robin hamburger last week. Yea, it's a hamburger.

I did get some packets of their seasoning and now put that shit on everything. Especially grilled chickens.

(I do need to try Red Robin though)

[scho63]

Originally Posted by eDave

I had my first Red Robin hamburger last week. Yea, it's a hamburger.

I did get some packets of their seasoning and now put that shit on everything. Especially grilled chickens.

What about their steak fries? They are my favorite - done extra crispy.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by eDave

I had my first Red Robin hamburger last week. Yea, it's a hamburger.

I did get some packets of their seasoning and now put that shit on everything. Especially grilled chickens.

Endless supply of French fries.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by eDave

I had my first Red Robin hamburger last week. Yea, it's a hamburger.

I did get some packets of their seasoning and now put that shit on everything. Especially grilled chickens.

Red Robin is good. It's also ridiculously overpriced. But it's good.

[ptlyon]

Now that's one tasty burger!

[Herewego]

Robin's blue cheeseburger is to die for.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Frazod

Red Robin is good. It's also ridiculously overpriced. But it's good.

I just had Red Robin for the first time ever a couple weekends ago. It was pretty solid, but yeah also overpriced.

OP updated, too.

[scho63]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I just had Red Robin for the first time ever a couple weekends ago. It was pretty solid, but yeah also overpriced.

OP updated, too.

Pretty much everything has become overpriced. Crazy to spend $25-30 on fast food but easy to do.

Red Robin has some good stuff.

[Bowser]

The Bottomless Steak Fries are money at RR (is that still a thing?).

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Bowser

The Bottomless Steak Fries are money at RR (is that still a thing?).

I don't think so... but given their burgers are like $15-17, it should be a thing.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I just had Red Robin for the first time ever a couple weekends ago. It was pretty solid, but yeah also overpriced.

OP updated, too.

I used to be into Red Robin. As in "go there on my birthday" into it. But then for some reason I cooled on it. I'm not really into their fries so much, and they really only had one burger that I got every time, which was always kind of messy to eat. I haven't been to one in several years now, but wouldn't mind going back.

[Graystoke]

RR has a good jingle but I’ve never dined there