Chiefs Chris Jones was the steal of the 2016 draft - Page 4

RunKC · 11-11-2018, 03:05 PM

How in the hell did this guy fall to the 2nd rd? He was the 10th DL taken in that class somehow.

It was a strong DL class, but Chris Jones looks as good as any of them minus Bosa.

6 strait games with a sack and 7 overall. Is he the best interior rusher in the league not named Aaron Donald?

bricks · 11-11-2018, 06:56 PM

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He's not horrible, I just think many of us were wondering if he would be worth the inflated number in the last year of his contract.

He's playing well but he's in a contract year and our offense's historic year is clearly helping our pass rushers. Bailey, Jones and Ford are all having career years.

Contract years aside, Im loving this.

Seriously, we have the offense to come out and smack teams up with quick scores and then we force teams in a position to play catch up with our offense by passing the ball. Its perfect, it plays right into the defenses strength of rushing the passer. The team has established itself an identity that way and we are seeing it unfold.

Hoover · 11-11-2018, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

We need 1 more Chris Jones in the draft next year and the run stopping part of this defense will be purty good.

I think we have him in Speaks.

Flying High D · 11-11-2018, 07:17 PM

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Yeah but his dick fell out of his shorts.

What the hell do you think got Dorsey’s attention?

ThaVirus · 11-11-2018, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bricks

Contract years aside, Im loving this.

Seriously, we have the offense to come out and smack teams up with quick scores and then we force teams in a position to play catch up with our offense by passing the ball. Its perfect, it plays right into the defenses strength of rushing the passer. The team has established itself an identity that way and we are seeing it unfold.

The defense does complement the offense well.

It kind of reminds me of those old Peyton teams in Indy with Mathis and Freeney.

RippedmyFlesh · 11-11-2018, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

The defense does complement the offense well.

It kind of reminds me of those old Peyton teams in Indy with Mathis and Freeney.

Or NO when they won their SB.

TambaBerry · 11-11-2018, 08:09 PM

I'm going to go ahead and eat crow on Ford, the dude is straight balling

Hammock Parties · 11-11-2018, 10:38 PM

ChiefsFanatic · 11-12-2018, 01:24 AM

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Bailey has 5 sacks too.

This D-line is a wrecking crew on par with some of those 90s Chiefs d-lines.

Wouldn't it be awesome to see Bailey at RDE and Jones at LDE but with both Nnadi and Williams as defensive tackles playing along side each other in a 4-3? They are getting home now, but they would be even better if we used a 4-3.

With Ford and Houston rushing the QB as well when Sutton doesn't have them in pass coverage? Imagine the twists, and games that Sutton could call with those 6 guys. It would allow for easier blitz packages, and side overloads, and could even confuse opposing QBs and offensive lines as to who was going to drop back in zone pass coverage and who was rushing.

I hate Bob Sutton, and think he is crap because he can't adapt to his personnel very well, but the biggest reason I want a change at DC is because I want a different scheme instead of the 3-4. I just don't think we have the personnel to play 3-4.

Yeah, the defense looks good at home, against bad teams, but both the Browns and the Cardinals were in the game much longer than they should have been, and mostly because we can't stop the run. A 4-3 with our personnel could help solve that issue.

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-King- · 11-12-2018, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

Wouldn't it be awesome to see Bailey at RDE and Jones at LDE but with both Nnadi and Williams as defensive tackles playing along side each other in a 4-3? They are getting home now, but they would be even better if we used a 4-3.

With Ford and Houston rushing the QB as well when Sutton doesn't have them in pass coverage? Imagine the twists, and games that Sutton could call with those 6 guys. It would allow for easier blitz packages, and side overloads, and could even confuse opposing QBs and offensive lines as to who was going to drop back in zone pass coverage and who was rushing.

I hate Bob Sutton, and think he is crap because he can't adapt to his personnel very well, but the biggest reason I want a change at DC is because I want a different scheme instead of the 3-4. I just don't think we have the personnel to play 3-4.

Yeah, the defense looks good at home, against bad teams, but both the Browns and the Cardinals were in the game much longer than they should have been, and mostly because we can't stop the run. A 4-3 with our personnel could help solve that issue.

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So our 3-4 is second is sacks and you want to get rid of it? Especially when the guy creating most of the havoc is a straight 3-4 guy?

If we can get a good ILB most of our run defense problems will be over. We don't need to be great or even good against the run. If we're even average against the run, we can dominate games seeing as teams have to abandon the run in games to keep up with us.
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ChiefsFanatic · 11-12-2018, 04:52 AM

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So our 3-4 is second is sacks and you want to get rid of it? Especially when the guy creating most of the havoc is a straight 3-4 guy?

If we can get a good ILB most of our run defense problems will be over. We don't need to be great or even good against the run. If we're even average against the run, we can dominate games seeing as teams have to abandon the run in games to keep up with us.
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We are getting to the QB, but we are giving up 5.1 yards per carry. Denver, Cleveland, and Arizona showed the league that running the ball against our defense can be a good offensive strategy, and a great help to the defense by limiting our offensive possessions.

If we have 3 down linemen and one LB rushing the QB with success, adding a 4th down linemen wouldn't hamper our ability to pressure the QB at all.

But our ability to stop the run could help our offense possess the ball on more possessions, and with that it would more than likely allow us to score more points and put pressure on the opposing team to pass, and with an extra rusher on each play we could be much more varied in our attack of the QB.

Everyone can talk about how this is a passing league, but stopping the run in the playoffs will be a must. If Chubb and Johnson almost ran for 100 yards, Gurley in that Rams offense may run for close to 200. The Rams and McVay won't be adverse to running the ball down our throats even if they are down.

Giving up 5.1 yards per carry isnt something we can continue to do and have the playoff success we all want.

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-King- · 11-12-2018, 05:06 AM

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We are getting to the QB, but we are giving up 5.1 yards per carry. Denver, Cleveland, and Arizona showed the league that running the ball against our defense can be a good offensive strategy, and a great help to the defense by limiting our offensive possessions.

If we have 3 down linemen and one LB rushing the QB with success, adding a 4th down linemen wouldn't hamper our ability to pressure the QB at all.

But our ability to stop the run could help our offense possess the ball on more possessions, and with that it would more than likely allow us to score more points and put pressure on the opposing team to pass, and with an extra rusher on each play we could be much more varied in our attack of the QB.

Everyone can talk about how this is a passing league, but stopping the run in the playoffs will be a must. If Chubb and Johnson almost ran for 100 yards, Gurley in that Rams offense may run for close to 200. The Rams and McVay won't be adverse to running the ball down our throats even if they are down.

Giving up 5.1 yards per carry isnt something we can continue to do and have the playoff success we all want.

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Wanna know who is worse against the run than us? That team you keep talking about. So worst case scenario, we get into an old school 1980s shootout and just run every play.

At the end of the day, teams HAVE to pass against us. You have no choice with the way we can score the ball. Theres a reason why despite being so bad against the run, teams are only running 24 times a game against us (10th in the league). Our offense is a rush defense. It forces teams to abandon the run.
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**New World Order** · 11-12-2018, 05:17 AM

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Extend Chris Jones
Extend Dee Ford (Sammy Watkins format contract)
Let Houston play one more season then cut him in Spring 2020 ($1.5 million dead money | $17.5 million saved)
Draft another pass rusher next Spring

Profit

Pass rush would be even better if we can get Houston, Jones, Ford and Speaks on the field at the same time.

T-post Tom · 11-12-2018, 01:23 PM

Best 2nd round dick pick eva....

**jjchieffan** · 11-12-2018, 01:32 PM

Would have been nice to grab him in the first instead of trading out and taking him in the second. That 5th year option would be nice. But Veach will just have to get him extended this off season now. I really don't want to see him hit free agency.

saphojunkie · 11-12-2018, 01:53 PM

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Don't extend Ford. We should tag him and make him prove it for one more season at least.

John? Is that you? I thought you went to the Browns...

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jjchieffan Supporter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Highlandville, MO Casino cash: $112248	Would have been nice to grab him in the first instead of trading out and taking him in the second. That 5th year option would be nice. But Veach will just have to get him extended this off season now. I really don't want to see him hit free agency.
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