Chiefs Smith signs with Raiders - Page 4

**chiefforlife** · 07:05 AM

Raiders add cornerback Sean Smith
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 10, 2016, 7:55 AM EST
Sean Smith AP

The best available player in our Free Agent Hot 100 has been snapped up.

Former Chiefs cornerback Sean Smith has agreed to a deal with the Raiders.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports that it’s a four-year deal worth $40 million, with $20 million guaranteed.

Heading into free agency, Smith was our No. 14 player available. The 13 ahead of him have all either signed a contract or been franchised.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ck-sean-smith/

A 2009 second-round pick of the Dolphins, Smith played four seasons in Miami before signing a three-year, $18 million deal with the Chiefs in free agency. Now Smith is on his third team, and his third contract.

mcaj22 · 03-10-2016, 08:48 AM

We will see how good Sean Smith really is with a bunch of no named safeties behind him.

Raiders have literally nobody else in their secondary worth a shit and will still probably give up 350 pass yards a game and have to score 30 points to try and win every week. They have zero talent there besides their new 10 million dollar man

Mile High Mania · 03-10-2016, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Strongside

Anyone who signs with the Faid is in it for the money.

Dead to me.

These guys don't cheer the jerseys like the fans... and they shouldn't, their time in this game is finite, they should get paid when they can.

O.city · 03-10-2016, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Dorsey got his 3 prime years for $18 mill total

Great value

Basically, this.

What the hell has happened to TTC guys and who's this posting all reasonable for him?

Halfcan · 03-10-2016, 09:33 AM

Figured the Faders would slap down 20 million.

They are trying to buy the division. Maybe this will finally be the year they don't have a losing record.

MikeMaslowski · 03-10-2016, 09:33 AM

Wont really make a difference. Out with Woodson, in with Hollywood. Still double down on red.

**TribalElder** · 03-10-2016, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I'm goin goin, back back, to Cali Cali ��✌��️
— Sean Smith (@SeanSMITH24) March 10, 2016

But he won't be going going back back to the playoffs playoffs

DJ's left nut · 03-10-2016, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yup, our only screaming need imo

cb, qbotf, and wr2

Now is actually the perfect time to grab a qb (hear me, gods?)

Is it really? Or do you really just like Lynch?

I know everyone always moans about the 'wait 'till next year' answer, but look at it objectively and isn't next year really a better time to take the QB?

What starters will need to be replaced next season? As I see it, none of them. The full allotment of starters on this team appear to be under control for the next 2 seasons at least (presuming a Berry extension and the ability to tag Poe). We'll also have our full complement of draft picks. Moreover, we'll get max benefit from the QB as well.

If we take a QB now, we'll be looking at almost certainly 2 years of his rookie contract being burned as a backup. If we take him next season, we'll probably only burn one of those years off and be able to move on from Smith in 2018 when his cap hit is $20 million and his dead money is only $3.6. That was always the most likely year to move on from him and it remains so. We would then have a full 4 seasons of the rookie QB still to use up before we have to pay him like a grown up.

We wouldn't be looking to replace starters in the 2017 draft and we'd have all of our picks plus any potential comp picks. I figure that Smith and Schwartz will offset but it's also possible that Allen's shocker of a deal offsets Schwartz, giving us a 'net' of Smith's deal and Daniel's surprisingly expensive contract. That could realistically net us 2 fourth rounders in '17.

Most of the ceteris paribus sort of factors here point to 2017 being the better year to draft a QB and by a fair amount. The only wild card truly is the available talent.

If you believe that Paxton Lynch (should he be available) is a legitimate franchise guy then you go ahead and take him. But you're not taking him because the time is ideal - you're taking him because the player is ideal and the timing is tolerable.

NJChiefsFan · 03-10-2016, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Amukamara or Heyward would fill in just fine.

Their contracts would be near SS though wouldn't they? I would think at least in the eight a year range.

DJ's left nut · 03-10-2016, 09:47 AM

And to expand on that (as though the novel wasn't enough), I actually think the loss of the pick would make me more aggressive in trading UP.

I know most people think right now that we should trade back to recoup the 3rd; I disagree. We're not sitting on a ton of high value picks this season anyway. We're sitting at the back of the round and with fewer comp picks and now down a 3rd. We aren't going to 'win' this draft on volume. Our best bet is to make the picks we do have count.

My preference at this point is to be extremely aggressive and see if we can get up high enough to snag Eli Apple. He's a perfect fit for this system, IMO and if you put him alongside Peters with Berry behind them, you have an exceptionally talented young secondary that's going to play together for at least 4 years. And again, with so few starters not locked up for the foreseeable future, I'd rather focus on quality rather than quantity in going after prospects.

If Apple is there at, say, 20, I'd give up our 1st and 2nd for their 1st and 4th.

DJ's left nut · 03-10-2016, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Their contracts would be near SS though wouldn't they? I would think at least in the eight a year range.

I wouldn't expect Heyward's to be. Amukamara's may be, but that would only happen if some team really expected him to stay healthy (i.e. the Texans deal with Allen).

It only ever takes 1 team to blow up a market but for others, the market just never comes together. That's all that explains the difference between Malik Jackson getting one of the largest deals in NFL history and Jaye Howard getting less money in 2 years than Jeff Allen will get in 1.

If a market never truly materializes for either player, you could see the same situation happen that happened with Sean Smith when we got him. We get a player that's 90% as capable as the big money signing but at 50% the cost.

**alpha_omega** · 03-10-2016, 09:52 AM

Seemed inevitable. oh, well...sorry dude...gotta hate you now.
Moving on.....

Halfcan · 03-10-2016, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder

But he won't be going going back back to the playoffs playoffs

I don't think there was any way the Chiefs were going to reward him with 20 mil cash after getting the DWI. They have drivers in place for their players, so it was really a dumb move and sealed it once the contract got so high.

ct · 03-10-2016, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

You gotta think we get that 3rd rounder back after the appeal. I see it being reduced to a later pick.

with goodell at the helm, i'm not counting on any breaks

Rasputin · 03-10-2016, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

Good for him, $20m guaranteed is a lot.

Added bonus, lives in California and will have a longer off-season to enjoy it each year!

Also Oakland is submitting a bill to legislation that would legalize crime in the state of California. So you can do the crime but don't have to do the time.

**The Franchise** · 03-10-2016, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Their contracts would be near SS though wouldn't they? I would think at least in the eight a year range.

I'm fine with Heyward at $7 million a year.

03-10-2016, 07:03 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Smith signs with Raiders Raiders add cornerback Sean Smith Posted by Michael David Smith on March 10, 2016, 7:55 AM EST Sean Smith AP The best available player in our Free Agent Hot 100 has been snapped up. Former Chiefs cornerback Sean Smith has agreed to a deal with the Raiders. Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports that it’s a four-year deal worth $40 million, with $20 million guaranteed. Heading into free agency, Smith was our No. 14 player available. The 13 ahead of him have all either signed a contract or been franchised. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ck-sean-smith/ A 2009 second-round pick of the Dolphins, Smith played four seasons in Miami before signing a three-year, $18 million deal with the Chiefs in free agency. Now Smith is on his third team, and his third contract. Last edited by chiefforlife; 03-10-2016 at 07:05 AM.. Reason: adding Link
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03-10-2016, 08:48 AM	#46
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	We will see how good Sean Smith really is with a bunch of no named safeties behind him. Raiders have literally nobody else in their secondary worth a shit and will still probably give up 350 pass yards a game and have to score 30 points to try and win every week. They have zero talent there besides their new 10 million dollar man
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-600901	And to expand on that (as though the novel wasn't enough), I actually think the loss of the pick would make me more aggressive in trading UP. I know most people think right now that we should trade back to recoup the 3rd; I disagree. We're not sitting on a ton of high value picks this season anyway. We're sitting at the back of the round and with fewer comp picks and now down a 3rd. We aren't going to 'win' this draft on volume. Our best bet is to make the picks we do have count. My preference at this point is to be extremely aggressive and see if we can get up high enough to snag Eli Apple. He's a perfect fit for this system, IMO and if you put him alongside Peters with Berry behind them, you have an exceptionally talented young secondary that's going to play together for at least 4 years. And again, with so few starters not locked up for the foreseeable future, I'd rather focus on quality rather than quantity in going after prospects. If Apple is there at, say, 20, I'd give up our 1st and 2nd for their 1st and 4th. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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