Football Congrats to your 5-8-1 first place Carolina Panthers! - Page 4

Deberg_1990 · 12-14-2014, 06:26 PM

Chiefs would OWN the NFC South!

TEX · 12-15-2014, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsChoke010414

The Panthers have had a terrible year. The kind of year that gets coaches fired and QB's benched. When you're 5-8-1, your'e not very good.

Instead, if the playoffs started today, they'd get to host a playoff game. That's why this system needs changing.

This season is an extreme example, but I'll give you an example of a scenario that isn't extreme. If the Panthers were 9-7, and someone else were 10-6, and both teams were in the top 6 and deserved to be in the playoffs, I'd still have the Panthers going on the road to face the 10-6 team, even if the Panthers won their division. Instead, under the current format, the Panthers would host the game. This kind of thing happens every season, where a division winner hosts a game against a team with a better record than them. It should never happen.

I agree - unless maybe if they played and during the regular season and lost head-to- head, but for consistency sake you have to draw the line somewhere, and your way does that.

Aries Walker · 12-15-2014, 03:28 PM

It would probably be fairer to blow up the Conferences completely, and restructure into 8 geographic divisions of 4 teams each, with the top however-many, regardless of division, going to the playoffs.

Northwest: Seattle, Oakland, Denver, KC
Southwest: San Francisco, San Diego, Phoenix, Dallas (or LA, if the Rams move)
South: Houston, New Orleans, Tennessee, St. Louis (or Dallas)
North: Minnesota, Chicago, Green Bay, Detroit
Central: Indianapolis, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh
Southeast: Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville, Atlanta
East: Carolina, Washington, Baltimore, New York Giants
Northeast: New York Jets, New England, Buffalo, Philadelphia

But, there's all of the history and rivalries to think of. Just like our states have their formations to blame for why Delaware and California have the same number of Senators, and why Texas takes days to cross when you can walk across Maryland in less than an hour if you're at the right spot, the rather piecemeal method of how the NFL was constructed is intrinsic to its organization now. Plus, while this way keeps together two of the NFL's three most intense rivalries (Chiefs-Raiders and Bears-Packers), there are a lot of others that sell a lot of tickets; I can't imagine the Falcons ownership would be too drop-dead crazy to have to explain to its fans why three home games a year against the Dolphins, Jaguars, and Bucs are thrilling showdowns worthy of a ticket price.

So it's not perfectly optimized, but we've got what we've got.

That said, a few extra Wild Card games wouldn't hurt.

BWillie · 12-15-2014, 05:49 PM

New Orleans is going to win that division anyway. They play the Bears tonight, and the Bears aren't a dumpster fire. They're a god damned landfill fire. Then they play two weak teams to close out. It wouldn't surprise me if they win three straight to close the year making it to 8-8.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-15-2014, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Probably, the AFC struggled to even get 6 teams with a winning record the last couple years. This year though 3/4ths of the teams are .500 or better.

The problem with changing it up is everyone doesn't play the same schedule. Doing it by division promotes rivalries, but it also compares you to teams with basically the same schedule. Just look at the AFC. The Chiefs and Chargers had to play the NFC West... and now they're sitting behind the Steelers and Ravens, who might end up getting the WC spots because they got to beat the crap out of the NFC South.

No one is going to question that because though. That's why you have to give divisions some weight.

Except that Pittsburgh didn't beat up on the NFCS.

They went 2-2.

**Rain Man** · 12-15-2014, 06:45 PM

As long as we're offering up options, how about this as one that's outside the box?

You have 4 divisions of 8 teams, but teams aren't permanently attached to any division.

Division A is the powerhouse division. Division B is the second tier. Division C is the third tier. Division D is the bottom tier.

The Division A teams play 7 games against Division A, 4 against B, 3 against C, and 2 against D. The other divisions similarly get stacked schedules. At the end of the season, 12 teams make the playoffs - 6 from Division A, 3 from B, 2 from C, and 1 from D.

Each season the top team in each division moves up two divisions and the bottom team moves down two divisions. The second-place team moves up a division and the 7th place team moves down a division.

The outcome is that you have a lot more games that are competitive, you create dynamic rivalries among strong teams, and rivalries ebb and flow as teams have up and down eras. Fans also get to see a wider variety of teams with their season tickets.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-15-2014, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

As long as we're offering up options, how about this as one that's outside the box?

You have 4 divisions of 8 teams, but teams aren't permanently attached to any division.

Division A is the powerhouse division. Division B is the second tier. Division C is the third tier. Division D is the bottom tier.

The Division A teams play 7 games against Division A, 4 against B, 3 against C, and 2 against D. The other divisions similarly get stacked schedules. At the end of the season, 12 teams make the playoffs - 6 from Division A, 3 from B, 2 from C, and 1 from D.

Each season the top team in each division moves up two divisions and the bottom team moves down two divisions. The second-place team moves up a division and the 7th place team moves down a division.

The outcome is that you have a lot more games that are competitive, you create dynamic rivalries among strong teams, and rivalries ebb and flow as teams have up and down eras. Fans also get to see a wider variety of teams with their season tickets.

Interdasting...

displacedinMN · 12-15-2014, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

As long as we're offering up options, how about this as one that's outside the box?

You have 4 divisions of 8 teams, but teams aren't permanently attached to any division.

Division A is the powerhouse division. Division B is the second tier. Division C is the third tier. Division D is the bottom tier.

The Division A teams play 7 games against Division A, 4 against B, 3 against C, and 2 against D. The other divisions similarly get stacked schedules. At the end of the season, 12 teams make the playoffs - 6 from Division A, 3 from B, 2 from C, and 1 from D.

Each season the top team in each division moves up two divisions and the bottom team moves down two divisions. The second-place team moves up a division and the 7th place team moves down a division.

The outcome is that you have a lot more games that are competitive, you create dynamic rivalries among strong teams, and rivalries ebb and flow as teams have up and down eras. Fans also get to see a wider variety of teams with their season tickets.

Once again CP proves that those in charge don't always know the most or have the best answers.

Rain man knows and offers up a good solution. Others have too.

I would like to know how the players think about the playoff structure when 7-9 gets into the playoff

Now I wish the bosses up the ladder from me would understand they don't know it all.

tk13 · 12-15-2014, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Except that Pittsburgh didn't beat up on the NFCS.

They went 2-2.

Yeah, but you know what I mean. Don't be disingenuous. That division has had four teams .500 or above basically all season. That's not a common occurrence. It's not a coincidence, and don't pretend it is.

Al Bundy · 12-15-2014, 10:37 PM

Well.. the Bucs put their best player on IR today.

Aries Walker · 12-15-2014, 10:45 PM

They have one?

Pablo · 12-15-2014, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Aries Walker

They have one?

They may, but nobody gives a shit who it is on this board or anywhere else for that matter.

Al Bundy · 12-15-2014, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

They may, but nobody gives a shit who it is on this board or anywhere else for that matter.

****wad.

Pablo · 12-15-2014, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy

****wad.

You know I'm right. Nobody gives a shit about your trash team outside of Tampa. You have less market coverage and appeal than a shitty Chiefs franchise.

That's just sad.

Aries Walker · 12-15-2014, 11:03 PM

And they screwed up what might have been the best looking uniforms in the game.

**RealSNR** · 12-15-2014, 11:11 PM

Who's their best player? Does Warrick Dunn still play for that team?

12-14-2014, 06:26 PM
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12-15-2014, 03:28 PM	#47
Aries Walker Back again, again. Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: York, PA Casino cash: $9503357	It would probably be fairer to blow up the Conferences completely, and restructure into 8 geographic divisions of 4 teams each, with the top however-many, regardless of division, going to the playoffs. Northwest: Seattle, Oakland, Denver, KC Southwest: San Francisco, San Diego, Phoenix, Dallas (or LA, if the Rams move) South: Houston, New Orleans, Tennessee, St. Louis (or Dallas) North: Minnesota, Chicago, Green Bay, Detroit Central: Indianapolis, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh Southeast: Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville, Atlanta East: Carolina, Washington, Baltimore, New York Giants Northeast: New York Jets, New England, Buffalo, Philadelphia But, there's all of the history and rivalries to think of. Just like our states have their formations to blame for why Delaware and California have the same number of Senators, and why Texas takes days to cross when you can walk across Maryland in less than an hour if you're at the right spot, the rather piecemeal method of how the NFL was constructed is intrinsic to its organization now. Plus, while this way keeps together two of the NFL's three most intense rivalries (Chiefs-Raiders and Bears-Packers), there are a lot of others that sell a lot of tickets; I can't imagine the Falcons ownership would be too drop-dead crazy to have to explain to its fans why three home games a year against the Dolphins, Jaguars, and Bucs are thrilling showdowns worthy of a ticket price. So it's not perfectly optimized, but we've got what we've got. That said, a few extra Wild Card games wouldn't hurt.
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12-15-2014, 05:49 PM	#48
BWillie Are you ready to Rumble? Join Date: Apr 2006 Casino cash: $-1208759	New Orleans is going to win that division anyway. They play the Bears tonight, and the Bears aren't a dumpster fire. They're a god damned landfill fire. Then they play two weak teams to close out. It wouldn't surprise me if they win three straight to close the year making it to 8-8.
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12-15-2014, 06:45 PM	#50
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-422449 VARSITY	As long as we're offering up options, how about this as one that's outside the box? You have 4 divisions of 8 teams, but teams aren't permanently attached to any division. Division A is the powerhouse division. Division B is the second tier. Division C is the third tier. Division D is the bottom tier. The Division A teams play 7 games against Division A, 4 against B, 3 against C, and 2 against D. The other divisions similarly get stacked schedules. At the end of the season, 12 teams make the playoffs - 6 from Division A, 3 from B, 2 from C, and 1 from D. Each season the top team in each division moves up two divisions and the bottom team moves down two divisions. The second-place team moves up a division and the 7th place team moves down a division. The outcome is that you have a lot more games that are competitive, you create dynamic rivalries among strong teams, and rivalries ebb and flow as teams have up and down eras. Fans also get to see a wider variety of teams with their season tickets. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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12-15-2014, 10:37 PM	#54
Al Bundy Damnit Peg Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $3561831	Well.. the Bucs put their best player on IR today.
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12-15-2014, 10:45 PM	#55
Aries Walker Back again, again. Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: York, PA Casino cash: $9503357	They have one?
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12-15-2014, 11:03 PM	#59
Aries Walker Back again, again. Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: York, PA Casino cash: $9503357	And they screwed up what might have been the best looking uniforms in the game.
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