Chiefs Why are so many Chiefs fans against drafting a 1st round QB? - Page 4

Deberg_1990 · 02-04-2009, 08:31 PM

What is it??

Did Steve Fuller and Todd Blackledge ruin your childhood??

Let it go people. Its time....

unothadeal · 02-04-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

You can't fix stupid, that's why.

Pretty sure you can.

Sanka · 02-04-2009, 09:56 PM

I'm willing to give Thiggy one more season, I'm holding out for McCoy. We should fix the O-line first, then put the franchise QB in place. What is 1 more year with out a franchise QB? Its not like we are going to make the playoffs next season.

**Manila-Chief** · 02-04-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

I'd be for it if there were a legit stud available. I'm not sold on Sanchez or Stafford as a top 3 pick. Now, if we were to trade down to the lower part of the top 10, pick up another first round or high second round pick and still get one of them, that might be a different story.

At first I agreed with your post, coz I'd like to have more picks (with Pioli drafting) and a stud QB. But, then I realized if a stud QB is sitting there at #3, then the team moving up will be doing it to take him and we don't get him. Also, if the QB falls down in the draft it will mean that most teams don't consider them a stud and he may not be. So, I'll revert back to my "I'll trust Pioli."

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

I think a better question would be "Why are so many Chiefs fans willing to argue incessantly over something they have absolutely no control over?".

I've said it before, I trust Pioli. I wouldn't pretend to tell him how to draft coz I don't know real talent from the over hyped. If he thinks a real QB is there we draft him, and I'll be pleased either way.

But, if there is a QBOTF, I think we should take him. As a side note: it's better to pay a QB the #3 pick money than another position. But, mainly because I feel a Peyton/Brady/Farve/Montana type of leader/QB would be the most important part of the puzzle of building a team. Yes, average QB's can lead a team (even to a SB), but great QB's makes it a whole lot easier. But, I think Pioli will know all of that.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-04-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

it's because they are so freakin sure that they are smarter than everyone else that their judgement of this year's QB crop is correct ..... everyone else must be an idiot.

they say it about every other post

"you're stupid"
"you're an idiot"
"nobody else is smart enough to know how important a QB is"
"i'm smart, everyone else is just 'scared' "
"you can't fix stupid.."

blah,blah,blah

i'm not necessarily against drafting a QB ... if pioli thinks he wants Stafford etc, i'm fine....

but i sure am sick of this group of arrogant muther fuggers running around dog piling on anyone that doesn't spout their "approved message"

approved this

Laz- once again you've COMPLETELY missed the point.

This whole debate has NOTHING to do with judgment of potential.

The Golden Rule of the draft: You don't pass on a potential franchise QB if you don't currently have one.

1) We don't have one.

2) Stafford and Sanchez are both universally considered POTENTIAL franchise QB's.

If Pioli were to draft one and they fail, so be it. Then you do what every other team does in that situation:

You draft another the first chance you get.

Just like the Bengals did after Aliki Smith busted.

Just like the Ravens did after Kyle Boller busted.

Just like the Falcons did after Mike Vick GOT busted.

And so on, and so on, and so on...

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-04-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanka

I'm willing to give Thiggy one more season, I'm holding out for McCoy. We should fix the O-line first, then put the franchise QB in place. What is 1 more year with out a franchise QB? Its not like we are going to make the playoffs next season.

Can't....breathe.....send.....help............

unothadeal · 02-04-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

2) Stafford and Sanchez are both universally considered POTENTIAL franchise QB's.

Potential | Po-Ten-Chel |
adjective [attrib.]

You currently suck. You might be good sometime in the future:
Darth Carl Satan has the potential to be an average poster

**Manila-Chief** · 02-04-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanka

I'm willing to give Thiggy one more season, I'm holding out for McCoy. We should fix the O-line first, then put the franchise QB in place. What is 1 more year with out a franchise QB? Its not like we are going to make the playoffs next season.

I don't get this ... "let's wait until next year to draft a QB?" Just how do we draft a QB next year? Are you saying that Pioli and our new coach will be as bad as Carl/Herm and we will only win 2 games? You have to draft high in order to get a "franchise QB." I think we will win several games and will not have a chance at a QBOTF. So, if we get a chance and 1 of the top 2 is worth and sitting there for us, we should select him and build the O-line this year and next year.

But, from where I sit, I'd rather have either Stanford or Sanchez over McCoy. Not impressed with McCoy.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-04-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

This. The real question is why do some Chiefs fans believe that Stafford (who will be gone) or Sanchez are the franchise QB?

I don't know. It could be the fact that people have said Stafford would be worthy of a #1 overall selection since he was 16 goddamned years old, and he's done nothing but live up to that hype. Sanchez was the #1 recruit in the entire country, like Stafford, was in school for four years, and when he played, he was dominant.

Sam Hall · 02-04-2009, 10:26 PM

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Sanka · 02-04-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Manila-Chief

I don't get this ... "let's wait until next year to draft a QB?" Just how do we draft a QB next year? Are you saying that Pioli and our new coach will be as bad as Carl/Herm and we will only win 2 games? You have to draft high in order to get a "franchise QB." I think we will win several games and will not have a chance at a QBOTF. So, if we get a chance and 1 of the top 2 is worth and sitting there for us, we should select him and build the O-line this year and next year.

But, from where I sit, I'd rather have either Stanford or Sanchez over McCoy. Not impressed with McCoy.

Never did I say the Chiefs are going to be a 2 win team next season, but we should be drafting in the top 10-15 next season. And how the hell can't you be impressed with some one like McCoy? The guy only completed 77% of his passes. Plus he could end of being the 3rd rated QB next season, with Bradford and Teabow more then likely coming out next season. Plus McCoy isn't throwing to 4 and 5 star recruits like Sanchez does at USC.

**RealSNR** · 02-04-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

This reminds me so much of the 2007 Draft debate. WR or LT. It was a great year for WR's, but we had the people jumping up and down for Joe Freakin Staley. We told people then that LT had a bumper crop in 2008 and WR would be down. And behold look what happened in 2008 Draft. Ton of good LT's and not a single WR was took in the first. Now in 2009, we have a shot a legit franchise QB in Stafford or Sanchez. Defense players arent that highly regarded, but the 2010 draft is loaded across the board with defense playmakers and the QB's are of the spread variety. This isnt a one year lets get back to the playoffs rebuild, this for the next decade to be Super Bowl champs.

Have you seen Stafford or Sanchez even play?

Joe Staley they ain't.

**DeezNutz** · 02-04-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by unothadeal

Potential | Po-Ten-Chel |
adjective [attrib.]

You currently suck. You might be good sometime in the future:
Darth Carl Satan has the potential to be an average poster

Come on, now. Let's be intellectually honest. This isn't DC.

**DeezNutz** · 02-04-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanka

Never did I say the Chiefs are going to be a 2 win team next season, but we should be drafting in the top 10-15 next season. And how the hell can't you be impressed with some one like McCoy? The guy only completed 77% of his passes. Plus he could end of being the 3rd rated QB next season, with Bradford and Teabow more then likely coming out next season. Plus McCoy isn't throwing to 4 and 5 star recruits like Sanchez does at USC.

I've been hoping the Chiefs would get Teabagged for a long time now.

Perhaps others have seen me wax Lombardi about the 10 OL formations?

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-04-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanka

Never did I say the Chiefs are going to be a 2 win team next season, but we should be drafting in the top 10-15 next season. And how the hell can't you be impressed with some one like McCoy? The guy only completed 77% of his passes. Plus he could end of being the 3rd rated QB next season, with Bradford and Teabow more then likely coming out next season. Plus McCoy isn't throwing to 4 and 5 star recruits like Sanchez does at USC.

Uh, McCoy plays in the spread.

Sanchez and Stafford play in Pro-Style offenses.

McCoy will have a HUGE learning curve and will need to learn how to effectively play under center.

Furthermore, please explain how Texas, year in and year out, is in the top 5 of recruiting, but their receivers aren't as good as those at Georgia & USC.

That doesn't make any sense.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-04-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Have you seen Stafford or Sanchez even play?

Joe Staley they ain't.

I think you missed his point.

Never pass on a potential franchise QB.

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