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B_Ambuehl · 11-21-2008, 05:16 PM

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...icle911430.ece

Jimmy Wilkerson kicking ass and taking names. The funny thing is how Herm tried to talk bad about him after drafting Turk McBride when McBride has done nothing but prove to be the definition of useless.

Wilkerson's play has Tampa Bay Buccaneers finding a bigger role for him
By Stephen F. Holder, Times Staff Writer
In print: Friday, November 21, 2008

TAMPA — Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, attempting to inspire his players the night before Sunday's game against the Vikings, showed a highlight tape filled exclusively with all-out-hustle plays.

Some involved a defender not giving up on running down a streaking ballcarrier. Others showed the potential payoff for playing until the whistle and never assuming a play is dead.

It's now clear that at least one guy in that room was paying close attention.

Sunday, Jimmy Wilkerson watched as Vikings running back Chester Taylor burst through the defensive front and caught a pass from Gus Frerotte with his mind focused on scoring the winning touchdown with just more than a minute left.

Wilkerson had other ideas. He ran Taylor down from behind and stripped him of the ball. When the play was over, cornerback Ronde Barber had recovered the ball, holding it and victory in his hands.

"We had that film with (Derrick) Brooks and Barber and all the great hustle plays we've had here," Kiffin said. "I think we might be seeing Jimmy Wilkerson on there sometime. That was a great hustle play. That's what it's all about."

After a sack, a forced fumble and five tackles against Minnesota, Wilkerson, 27, is beginning to show what he might do in an expanded role, one that Wilkerson, a career special-teamer until this season, believes has been a long time coming.

"My playing time is not even close," Wilkerson said when asked to compare his experience this year with that of his first five seasons, all with the Chiefs.

They were anonymous years, with Wilkerson starting five games and never gaining a place in the regular rotation. His two starts last season came at defensive end only because Pro Bowl player Jared Allen was suspended.

"Sometimes I'd play three snaps, five snaps, maybe 10 snaps if I was lucky," he said. "I played more on special teams than I did on defense. It had been like that for basically five years. Now, I'm averaging about 20 snaps a game on defense, and I'm on just about every special team.

"I'm having fun, man. In Kansas City I was just basically mad all the time. I'd take it out on people on special teams. I had a lot of frustrations and was mad at the coaches, wondering why I wasn't playing."

He took those concerns to defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham. Told by Cunningham the front office would have to address his issue, Wilkerson went there for answers. Then, like a caller trapped in an automated phone system, he was bounced around again.

"I went to management and asked them the same question," he said. "I was told that the coaches wanted to play the young guys that they drafted. That didn't make any sense to me. Here you had me, a guy with years of experience in the system against guys who were just out of college and just learning the system. They're getting playing time before me?"

How, then, did the Bucs come to recognize the former Oklahoma Sooner's suitability for their defense when he so rarely was on the field?

Tried and true scouting methods that have uncovered defensive gems such as Jovan Haye and Greg White are the reason Wilkerson's number was among the first the Bucs dialed on the first day of free agency this year.

"Part of the thing we saw in Jimmy in preseason film and the little bit of regular-season film we saw was the Buc defensive line characteristics that we always try to find," said Mark Dominik, in his seventh season as director of pro personnel.

"It's that high-energy pursuit and toughness. He showed those. And you also saw a guy who looked like he had some instincts and could locate the ball and attack and pursue from the backside. If there was a play it didn't look like he could make, he'd still try to run it down."

Those are skills Wilkerson, 6 feet 2, 290 pounds, has shown of late as he forces coaches to find a place for him in the rotation. He is frequently used as a nickel rusher, playing on the interior defensive line in passing situations. At other times, he switches to left defensive end, where he helped create a consistent pass rush against Minnesota that yielded five sacks.

Wilkerson's role is the biggest of his career. The only question is whether it continues to grow.

"We thought he was a good player," Kiffin said. "But really, he's exceeded our expectations."

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TrickyNicky · 11-21-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

All I'm sayin is this team better learn how to draft ends because so far they've used a 1st and a 2nd rounder and we got exactly shit to show for it.

We should just blindly draft longsnappers and hope for a Pro-Bowler. Seemed to work out last time.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-21-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Don't forget Terdell Sands.

KM and SF are better than anyone we've started at LB this year other than DJ.

So?

The Chiefs traded Fujita and Mitchell was a free agent.

Just because they're better than what's currently on the roster doesn't make them "great" players. I'd say they're both average at best.

And Mitchell? JFC. That guy knew how to ride a running back better than anyone in the league. For how many years was he referred to as "Kaweaka"?

Longing for Mitchell, Wilkerson and Fujita is like longing for Steve Fuller, Steve Pelluer and Dave Kreig.

No thanks.

**SAUTO** · 11-21-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So?

The Chiefs traded Fujita and Mitchell was a free agent.

Just because they're better than what's currently on the roster doesn't make them "great" players. I'd say they're both STILL BELOW average at best.

FYP sorry had to

Mecca · 11-21-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

and used a 4th on the guy who ended up being pretty good( and got us a couple of really good players)

Herm wasn't here for that pick, so I wasn't really counting picks before that.

If you want to start going back we hit on a 4th round pick that the Chiefs thought would be a long snapper while we have bombed on to many to count.

**SAUTO** · 11-21-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Herm wasn't here for that pick, so I wasn't really counting picks before that.

If you want to start going back we hit on a 4th round pick that the Chiefs thought would be a long snapper while we have bombed on to many to count.

carl was right?

BigRock · 11-21-2008, 09:08 PM

Boy, this really pisses me off. If we still had playmakers like Kawika and Wilkerson, our defense would be AT LEAST 31st right now.

sedated · 11-21-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Just because they're better than what's currently on the roster doesn't make them "great" players.

um...but they ARE better than what we currently have. And we let them go.

a great team is not made up of 53 pro-bowlers. we had young above-average players, and we let them walk. what do we have now?

**notorious** · 11-21-2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Your and idiot

Read some more of the thread, you will see that I pulled back some of the embellishment.

If you look into Wilkerson a little more, he was drafted a year earlier than he should have been, and he has a lot of potential.

Tampa will make him a lot better player than the KC coaches even gave him a chance to become. If you think otherwise, you are pretty much stating that our coaching staff is better than Tampa, thus making you look like the idiot. I doubt that you are Dane, you have posted some good stuff every once in a while.

**The Bad Guy** · 11-21-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, give me a ****ing break.

Wilkerson has 15 ****ing tackles!

How is THAT development?

Especially after 4 years in Kansas City.

The guy is what he is: a 6th round draft choice that is hanging on by a thread in the NFL.

Big. ****ing. Deal.

I've watched this guy in about 5 games this year for Tampa. He's 100x better than he ever played around here. I don't care about tackles. He's blown up several plays.

He never did that here.

That comes down to coaching.

Are you really arguing that we have coaches that can get the most out of players?

**The Bad Guy** · 11-21-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So?

The Chiefs traded Fujita and Mitchell was a free agent.

Just because they're better than what's currently on the roster doesn't make them "great" players. I'd say they're both average at best.

And Mitchell? JFC. That guy knew how to ride a running back better than anyone in the league. For how many years was he referred to as "Kaweaka"?

Longing for Mitchell, Wilkerson and Fujita is like longing for Steve Fuller, Steve Pelluer and Dave Kreig.

No thanks.

COACHING. COACHING. COACHING.

Kawika Mitchell is a much better football player since he left KC. Not even close. The point is, we really don't know how good a lot of these guys are because we are relying on a horrible coaching staff to DEVELOP these players.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-21-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickyNicky

God, we really need a new ****ing GM. Carl first. I don't even care if Herm stays one more year, but Carl and his cronies like Gun need to gtfo.

This team will never be competitive again under Carl Peterson. Anything good that happens under his watch is pure happenstance. And, I lose more and more faith in the Hunt Family with each passing day.

We're at a crossroads people, a moment of truth. What transpires at the end of this season is going to set the tone for a long time to come. If Clark doesn't sack-up; just burn your gear and call it a day, cause' it's pretty much over. Unless of course you enjoy watching the Titanic sink slowly for 3 to 5 years.

Too bad Gruden is sitting pretty in Florida. His post-game interview is stuck in my mind for some reason and flattery aside, I get the feeling he was genuinely impressed with the majority of the young talent we have, and wouldn't mind taking a crack at whipping this team in to shape.
Or stealing our talent...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-21-2008, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I've watched this guy in about 5 games this year for Tampa. He's 100x better than he ever played around here. I don't care about tackles. He's blown up several plays.

He never did that here.

That comes down to coaching.

Are you really arguing that we have coaches that can get the most out of players?

You'll NEVER hear that argument from me, especially if we're talking Line Coaches. Tyler Thigpen and the Gailey "Quasi-Spread" are the only things making that O-Line look "not completely a pile of shit", and even with that; they're still skirting the border.
It's just ****ing sad...

**The Bad Guy** · 11-21-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

[/b]You'll NEVER hear that argument from me, especially if we're talking Line Coaches. Tyler Thigpen and the Gailey "Quasi-Spread" are the only things making that O-Line look "not completely a pile of shit", and even with that; they're still skirting the border.
It's just ****ing sad...

You're right.

Gailey is absolutely 100% the only one.

Gunther is bar-none the worst DC in the entire NFL.

sedated · 11-21-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Gunther is bar-none the worst DC in the entire NFL.

but...but he had the #1 defense in 1967

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-21-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

but...but he had the #1 defense in 1967

The thing that just pisses me off and confuses me, is that this staff is the most "charming" bunch of losers you'll ever see and hear.

Go to the KCC site, and watch 'Chiefs TV' with Mitch H. You're watching these interviews with great questions from Mitch, great answers from Gun, great answers from players who aren't really getting it done, and it's like "What's going on here"? "Why isn't this translating in to effective play and leadership"?

I'm watching bits of practice sessions, and the only guy I see running a solid show is the Coach in charge of the Corners( and it shows ). Everything else just looks like going through the motions.
Despite appearances, we DO have some contenders on this team. And it KILLS ME that these guys aren't getting the development and leadership they deserve.

11-21-2008, 05:16 PM
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9705405	More proof these coaches and decision makers are incompetent http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...icle911430.ece Jimmy Wilkerson kicking ass and taking names. The funny thing is how Herm tried to talk bad about him after drafting Turk McBride when McBride has done nothing but prove to be the definition of useless. Wilkerson's play has Tampa Bay Buccaneers finding a bigger role for him By Stephen F. Holder, Times Staff Writer In print: Friday, November 21, 2008 TAMPA — Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, attempting to inspire his players the night before Sunday's game against the Vikings, showed a highlight tape filled exclusively with all-out-hustle plays. Some involved a defender not giving up on running down a streaking ballcarrier. Others showed the potential payoff for playing until the whistle and never assuming a play is dead. It's now clear that at least one guy in that room was paying close attention. Sunday, Jimmy Wilkerson watched as Vikings running back Chester Taylor burst through the defensive front and caught a pass from Gus Frerotte with his mind focused on scoring the winning touchdown with just more than a minute left. Wilkerson had other ideas. He ran Taylor down from behind and stripped him of the ball. When the play was over, cornerback Ronde Barber had recovered the ball, holding it and victory in his hands. "We had that film with (Derrick) Brooks and Barber and all the great hustle plays we've had here," Kiffin said. "I think we might be seeing Jimmy Wilkerson on there sometime. That was a great hustle play. That's what it's all about." After a sack, a forced fumble and five tackles against Minnesota, Wilkerson, 27, is beginning to show what he might do in an expanded role, one that Wilkerson, a career special-teamer until this season, believes has been a long time coming. "My playing time is not even close," Wilkerson said when asked to compare his experience this year with that of his first five seasons, all with the Chiefs. They were anonymous years, with Wilkerson starting five games and never gaining a place in the regular rotation. His two starts last season came at defensive end only because Pro Bowl player Jared Allen was suspended. "Sometimes I'd play three snaps, five snaps, maybe 10 snaps if I was lucky," he said. "I played more on special teams than I did on defense. It had been like that for basically five years. Now, I'm averaging about 20 snaps a game on defense, and I'm on just about every special team. "I'm having fun, man. In Kansas City I was just basically mad all the time. I'd take it out on people on special teams. I had a lot of frustrations and was mad at the coaches, wondering why I wasn't playing." He took those concerns to defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham. Told by Cunningham the front office would have to address his issue, Wilkerson went there for answers. Then, like a caller trapped in an automated phone system, he was bounced around again. "I went to management and asked them the same question," he said. "I was told that the coaches wanted to play the young guys that they drafted. That didn't make any sense to me. Here you had me, a guy with years of experience in the system against guys who were just out of college and just learning the system. They're getting playing time before me?" How, then, did the Bucs come to recognize the former Oklahoma Sooner's suitability for their defense when he so rarely was on the field? Tried and true scouting methods that have uncovered defensive gems such as Jovan Haye and Greg White are the reason Wilkerson's number was among the first the Bucs dialed on the first day of free agency this year. "Part of the thing we saw in Jimmy in preseason film and the little bit of regular-season film we saw was the Buc defensive line characteristics that we always try to find," said Mark Dominik, in his seventh season as director of pro personnel. "It's that high-energy pursuit and toughness. He showed those. And you also saw a guy who looked like he had some instincts and could locate the ball and attack and pursue from the backside. If there was a play it didn't look like he could make, he'd still try to run it down." Those are skills Wilkerson, 6 feet 2, 290 pounds, has shown of late as he forces coaches to find a place for him in the rotation. He is frequently used as a nickel rusher, playing on the interior defensive line in passing situations. At other times, he switches to left defensive end, where he helped create a consistent pass rush against Minnesota that yielded five sacks. Wilkerson's role is the biggest of his career. The only question is whether it continues to grow. "We thought he was a good player," Kiffin said. "But really, he's exceeded our expectations." [Last modified: Nov 21, 2008 06:12 PM]
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