How do you REALLY think the Chiefs will do this season? - Page 4

CoMoChief · 07-05-2005, 11:25 AM

I've been on other boards around the internet sports world and there have been alot of people that dog the Chiefs. Some people just plain do not know what they're talking about, but yet others have some key points. Put aside the fact that you are a die hard Chiefs fan and think, how do you REALLY think the Chiefs will do this season?

In all honesty, I think this is a do or die season. We will more than likely lose Shields after this season, and possibly Roaf, but then again I have heard that Roaf my play for a couple more seasons, if that's true, and granted he can still play at a high level, then I think our O-line is in good shape. If they both leave, then our line will still be ok, but our younger guys have to step up big time to fill those kinds of shoes. From what I have heard from the OTA's, I don't think that will be a problem.

Here's a question that someone from another board asked me and it got me to think. "If the Chiefs play some teams with good defenses, and if their offense has a few bad games, can you really rely on their defense to win a few games for you?" I told him I didn't really know. I think our defensive line needs to step up big and play this season. Last season it was arguably the strongest part of our defense, but that's not saying much as our LB core was awful as was our secondary. This season on paper it is probably the weakest part of our defense. Can Jared Allen produce even more than what he did last season, or will Carlos Hall take away some PT from him because God knows that Hicks has a secure spot as LE, which pisses me off to no end. Can Dalton produce like he did last season, chances are that he will. Sims is doo-doo butter. He is simply a bust whether you like it or not. I can't believe that CP and DV listened to that jack off buddy from UNC in drafting Sims. I can understand that a QB can often be a bust in the NFL because the QB is the hardest position, but DT??? Come on, given his size and strength, how hard is it to be productive? Siavii needs to replace him as the starter I think. Our LBs will be our strength, no doubt. We will have some of the best speed in the NFL. Can Mitchell hold down the fort at MLB? Last year he showed some signs but he is VERY inconsistant and is a fairly poor tackler as a MLB. He is very athletic and thats a plus and from what I have heard in the OTAs is that he's kicking ass. But thats in no pads. Can he wrap up is the question. Can Ambrose handle the load while Warfield serves his suspension if there is one? In my eyes hes another McCleon but older. Yeah he made the Pro-Bowl, but that was almost a decade ago. Having Deion Sanders is one thing and is the only exception to that. The first 4 games of the Chiefs schedule are tough, real tough. We have always had close games with Denver and Oakland and the Eagles are one of the best teams in the NFL and the Jets are gonna be better than they were last season I think. If we can go 2-2, then its a sure playoff bound Chiefs team in 2005. If we fall to 0-4, then I think this season will be like the last one.

The defensive line and Mitchell I believe are the keys to this defense getting better or respectable. We need a defense that can win us games because our offense wont be there for us all the time, they can only do so much. I'm talking about a defense that can help a team win 14-10 or something like that. I doubt the Chiefs can make that happen. I still think it will take some time to gel the players as one defensive unit. I can see us being very good mid to late season, which is what we need I think, I think its always important to thrive going in to the playoffs. After we play at SD I think our schedule is very favorable. What do you guys think?

NYJ - W
@OAK - W
@DEN - L
PHL - L
Bye
WSH - W
@MIA - W
@SD - L
OAK - W
@BUF - W
@HOU - W
NE - L
DEN - W
@DAL - W
@NYG - W
SD - W
CIN - W

Overall Record 12-4 AFC West Division Champs

**alanm** · 07-05-2005, 10:52 PM

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yeti · 07-05-2005, 10:57 PM

It seems that everyone has assumed DJ will be as good as he should be. I think that whether he shows up will be a very important. With him playing up to the hype we have a fast athletic Lb corp. We won't have the damn broncos running the swing plays all over us and we should be able to contain mobile QB's such as McNabb. Without DJ being a superstar like we think we have the same crappy Lbs save Bell. And like everyone has mentioned the DL is a big ? With good LBs we have 2/3 of the defense taked care of without it only 1/3. I don't think that will get us anywhere we haven't already been.

regald · 07-05-2005, 11:10 PM

I say anywhere between 9-7 to 14-2. I really have no idea where they are going to go but I can't seem them NOT making the playoffs after all the free agency acquisitions (it could be a future cap disaster) and this possibly being Dick Vermeils last year.

I'm a Colt's fan, might I remind you, but I still think your offense is extremely solid. Priest Holmes is one of the most underrated runningbacks in the league, if that's even possible, and as long as the defense can keep you in games, you should be fine.

The problem is the defense keeping you in games, getting Kendrell Bell, Sammy Knight, and Patrick Surtain should do the trick. Derrick Johnson is being toted as a savior already, but I'll have to see how he performs.

This is a defense that's been a weak point for your team, mainly the secondary because anyone can throw at you. For people who claim Eric Warfield is a premiere corner, you're crazy. This guy needs to up his game to be the #2 or dime behind Surtain in order for you to keep teams from throwing.

It actually may all come down to your secondary, Sammy Knight could be one of the biggest additions that many people don't notice. Teams will have to throw to keep up, they should be able to force some turnovers and change some balls games.

Anyway, what are the football forums you guys go to? I'm a football freak and I have no idea where most people go to talk football, I generally go to a Madden forum or the colt's forums. Any tips would be appreciated.

yeti · 07-05-2005, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by regald

I say anywhere between 9-7 to 14-2. I really have no idea where they are going to go but I can't seem them NOT making the playoffs after all the free agency acquisitions (it could be a future cap disaster) and this possibly being Dick Vermeils last year.

I'm a Colt's fan, might I remind you, but I still think your offense is extremely solid. Priest Holmes is one of the most underrated runningbacks in the league, if that's even possible, and as long as the defense can keep you in games, you should be fine.

The problem is the defense keeping you in games, getting Kendrell Bell, Sammy Knight, and Patrick Surtain should do the trick. Derrick Johnson is being toted as a savior already, but I'll have to see how he performs.

This is a defense that's been a weak point for your team, mainly the secondary because anyone can throw at you. For people who claim Eric Warfield is a premiere corner, you're crazy. This guy needs to up his game to be the #2 or dime behind Surtain in order for you to keep teams from throwing.

It actually may all come down to your secondary, Sammy Knight could be one of the biggest additions that many people don't notice. Teams will have to throw to keep up, they should be able to force some turnovers and change some balls games.

Anyway, what are the football forums you guys go to? I'm a football freak and I have no idea where most people go to talk football, I generally go to a Madden forum or the colt's forums. Any tips would be appreciated.

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**Reaper16** · 07-05-2005, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by regald

I say anywhere between 9-7 to 14-2. I really have no idea where they are going to go but I can't seem them NOT making the playoffs after all the free agency acquisitions (it could be a future cap disaster) and this possibly being Dick Vermeils last year.

I'm a Colt's fan, might I remind you, but I still think your offense is extremely solid. Priest Holmes is one of the most underrated runningbacks in the league, if that's even possible, and as long as the defense can keep you in games, you should be fine.

The problem is the defense keeping you in games, getting Kendrell Bell, Sammy Knight, and Patrick Surtain should do the trick. Derrick Johnson is being toted as a savior already, but I'll have to see how he performs.

This is a defense that's been a weak point for your team, mainly the secondary because anyone can throw at you. For people who claim Eric Warfield is a premiere corner, you're crazy. This guy needs to up his game to be the #2 or dime behind Surtain in order for you to keep teams from throwing.

It actually may all come down to your secondary, Sammy Knight could be one of the biggest additions that many people don't notice. Teams will have to throw to keep up, they should be able to force some turnovers and change some balls games.

Anyway, what are the football forums you guys go to? I'm a football freak and I have no idea where most people go to talk football, I generally go to a Madden forum or the colt's forums. Any tips would be appreciated.

No one thinks Warfield is an elite corner, still he's better than what your Colts have. You guys looking into the Ty Law sweepstakes?

See, your team is in kinda the same boat as us. We both have stellar offenses; the two best in the NFL, easily. If we stay healthy, our offenses are good enough to reach the playoffs. Come playoff time, our defenses need to step it up.

And I'd rather sleep at night behind the Cheifs defense with the new acquisitions, than the Colts' current defense.

regald · 07-05-2005, 11:25 PM

lol, I'm not trying to debate who has the better defense or overall team.

I agree, your free agent acquisitions are very enticing.

I think of the biggest factors that led your team to the record they achieved last year compared to the year prior is confidence.

Generally, Winning teams go through a tough win in order for them to go on a winning streak, this has a snow piling effect where wins just come and the team builds confidence.

This happened when the Colt's beat the Bucanneers (Defending SB Champs) when trailing by 21 points with 4 minutes left in 2003. This came when Carolina beat the Rams in the playoffs in 2004, this came when Pittsburge rallied to beat the Dolphins in week 3 last year. There are many examples.

Anyway, I think your momentum and confidence was shattered the year prior thanks to Peyton Manning. Up until that point, you were viewed as almost unbeatable, you could tell from that time going forth that the defense needed a huge overall and it was being more so viewed as the achilles heel. Where as before, they had done just enough to keep you in ball games.

If you can gain momentum next year and your defense makes a strong stand in a come from behind win, you can still become that Chiefs team that went 14-2 a few years prior (I believe that was the record).

arrowhead20 · 07-05-2005, 11:26 PM

all our defense has to do is hold up a 4th quarter lead, witch it is capable of doing now, but they will suprise alot of people this year in the turnover dept. that alone will win us 4 games. the offense will pick up where they left off last year.

12-4 div champs, 1st rnd bye, superbowl, win? cant say right now.

**Nzoner** · 07-05-2005, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by regald

If you can gain momentum next year and your defense makes a strong stand in a come from behind win, you can still become that Chiefs team that went 14-2 a few years prior (I believe that was the record).

Actually it was 13-3,the dreaded 13-3.

NJ Chief Fan · 07-06-2005, 12:54 AM

what do i think they will do this season...not much capture their second lombardi trophy

**Rausch** · 07-06-2005, 01:30 AM

Manning didn't ruin anyone's confidence. Gunther brought confidence back to the defense, which mauled Manning the first half of our game last year. The one where we beat you. By 10.

But our defense was averge as far as talent, and just dog-d!ck slow at LB and piss poor at CB. Then you add injuries and they just never improved.

Our defense was confident enough to play well for 2 or 3 quarters, but almost never for the whole game, and definitely not for the course of the season.

When you've tried every scheme and coverage under the sun and the guy playing opposite Warfield get's burned EVERY third and long...no, our CB's were what made the team doubt.

C-Mac · 07-06-2005, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BSPimpDude

Here's a question that someone from another board asked me and it got me to think. "If the Chiefs play some teams with good defenses, and if their offense has a few bad games, can you really rely on their defense to win a few games for you?"

Since they did flat out win a few games last year like Atlanta and Denver, it's not that far of a stretch to think they could improve on that.

CoMoChief · 07-06-2005, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by C-Mac

Since they did flat out win a few games last year like Atlanta and Denver, it's not that far of a stretch to think they could improve on that.

The offense and ball control is what won us both of those games on offense. The defense played well, but we won both games by 30+ points. I was talking about something like if our offense was doing bad and we needed the defense to pull us out, not the offense like it has for the past few seaons.

C-Mac · 07-06-2005, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BSPimpDude

The offense and ball control is what won us both of those games on offense. The defense played well, but we won both games by 30+ points. I was talking about something like if our offense was doing bad and we needed the defense to pull us out, not the offense like it has for the past few seaons.

Well if the offense doesnt score any points, I dont know of any defense you could expect win the game for you. Personally I think that Atlanta game was one of Guns finest hours and no doubt the home game with Denver was another great coached game. I seen gradual improvement in the defense the last few games with the exception of the last useless SD game. Again its not far fetched to think that this D with Gun, the new attitude and the new personel changes, will be a very good D to be proud of.

bobbything · 07-06-2005, 08:44 AM

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Personally I think that Atlanta game was one of Guns finest hours and no doubt the home game with Denver was another great coached game.

I honestly don't see how teams can't prepare for Atlanta on defense. Vick flat out can't pass, and his receivers are horrible, sans Crumpler. So, you prepare for the run on every single snap.

Even though Atlanta came into KC white hot last season, I really wasn't scared of them. Their defense was decent but, they weren't going to hold us to under 25 points at home. That was a given. And their offense was very one dimensional. Supposedly, they had this great running game, yet, the 31st ranked defense completely shut them down.

I don't think that the coaching was all that fantastic on our part. I just don't think Atlanta is that good. And I don't think they'll be that good this year.

CoMoChief · 07-06-2005, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by C-Mac

Well if the offense doesnt score any points, I dont know of any defense you could expect win the game for you. Personally I think that Atlanta game was one of Guns finest hours and no doubt the home game with Denver was another great coached game. I seen gradual improvement in the defense the last few games with the exception of the last useless SD game. Again its not far fetched to think that this D with Gun, the new attitude and the new personel changes, will be a very good D to be proud of.

Okay, first when I say thta our defense is having a bad day I mean like scoring 14-20 points. Secondly, we had the ball like something around 48 mins in that game to their 12. Thats insane and you SHOULD win a football game if you have the ball that much more than someone.

07-05-2005, 11:25 AM
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7712254	How do you REALLY think the Chiefs will do this season? I've been on other boards around the internet sports world and there have been alot of people that dog the Chiefs. Some people just plain do not know what they're talking about, but yet others have some key points. Put aside the fact that you are a die hard Chiefs fan and think, how do you REALLY think the Chiefs will do this season? In all honesty, I think this is a do or die season. We will more than likely lose Shields after this season, and possibly Roaf, but then again I have heard that Roaf my play for a couple more seasons, if that's true, and granted he can still play at a high level, then I think our O-line is in good shape. If they both leave, then our line will still be ok, but our younger guys have to step up big time to fill those kinds of shoes. From what I have heard from the OTA's, I don't think that will be a problem. Here's a question that someone from another board asked me and it got me to think. "If the Chiefs play some teams with good defenses, and if their offense has a few bad games, can you really rely on their defense to win a few games for you?" I told him I didn't really know. I think our defensive line needs to step up big and play this season. Last season it was arguably the strongest part of our defense, but that's not saying much as our LB core was awful as was our secondary. This season on paper it is probably the weakest part of our defense. Can Jared Allen produce even more than what he did last season, or will Carlos Hall take away some PT from him because God knows that Hicks has a secure spot as LE, which pisses me off to no end. Can Dalton produce like he did last season, chances are that he will. Sims is doo-doo butter. He is simply a bust whether you like it or not. I can't believe that CP and DV listened to that jack off buddy from UNC in drafting Sims. I can understand that a QB can often be a bust in the NFL because the QB is the hardest position, but DT??? Come on, given his size and strength, how hard is it to be productive? Siavii needs to replace him as the starter I think. Our LBs will be our strength, no doubt. We will have some of the best speed in the NFL. Can Mitchell hold down the fort at MLB? Last year he showed some signs but he is VERY inconsistant and is a fairly poor tackler as a MLB. He is very athletic and thats a plus and from what I have heard in the OTAs is that he's kicking ass. But thats in no pads. Can he wrap up is the question. Can Ambrose handle the load while Warfield serves his suspension if there is one? In my eyes hes another McCleon but older. Yeah he made the Pro-Bowl, but that was almost a decade ago. Having Deion Sanders is one thing and is the only exception to that. The first 4 games of the Chiefs schedule are tough, real tough. We have always had close games with Denver and Oakland and the Eagles are one of the best teams in the NFL and the Jets are gonna be better than they were last season I think. If we can go 2-2, then its a sure playoff bound Chiefs team in 2005. If we fall to 0-4, then I think this season will be like the last one. The defensive line and Mitchell I believe are the keys to this defense getting better or respectable. We need a defense that can win us games because our offense wont be there for us all the time, they can only do so much. I'm talking about a defense that can help a team win 14-10 or something like that. I doubt the Chiefs can make that happen. I still think it will take some time to gel the players as one defensive unit. I can see us being very good mid to late season, which is what we need I think, I think its always important to thrive going in to the playoffs. After we play at SD I think our schedule is very favorable. What do you guys think? NYJ - W @OAK - W @DEN - L PHL - L Bye WSH - W @MIA - W @SD - L OAK - W @BUF - W @HOU - W NE - L DEN - W @DAL - W @NYG - W SD - W CIN - W Overall Record 12-4 AFC West Division Champs
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07-05-2005, 10:57 PM	#47
yeti Kansas City Chiefs Football Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Casino cash: $6773278	It seems that everyone has assumed DJ will be as good as he should be. I think that whether he shows up will be a very important. With him playing up to the hype we have a fast athletic Lb corp. We won't have the damn broncos running the swing plays all over us and we should be able to contain mobile QB's such as McNabb. Without DJ being a superstar like we think we have the same crappy Lbs save Bell. And like everyone has mentioned the DL is a big ? With good LBs we have 2/3 of the defense taked care of without it only 1/3. I don't think that will get us anywhere we haven't already been.
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07-05-2005, 11:10 PM	#48
regald Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	I say anywhere between 9-7 to 14-2. I really have no idea where they are going to go but I can't seem them NOT making the playoffs after all the free agency acquisitions (it could be a future cap disaster) and this possibly being Dick Vermeils last year. I'm a Colt's fan, might I remind you, but I still think your offense is extremely solid. Priest Holmes is one of the most underrated runningbacks in the league, if that's even possible, and as long as the defense can keep you in games, you should be fine. The problem is the defense keeping you in games, getting Kendrell Bell, Sammy Knight, and Patrick Surtain should do the trick. Derrick Johnson is being toted as a savior already, but I'll have to see how he performs. This is a defense that's been a weak point for your team, mainly the secondary because anyone can throw at you. For people who claim Eric Warfield is a premiere corner, you're crazy. This guy needs to up his game to be the #2 or dime behind Surtain in order for you to keep teams from throwing. It actually may all come down to your secondary, Sammy Knight could be one of the biggest additions that many people don't notice. Teams will have to throw to keep up, they should be able to force some turnovers and change some balls games. Anyway, what are the football forums you guys go to? I'm a football freak and I have no idea where most people go to talk football, I generally go to a Madden forum or the colt's forums. Any tips would be appreciated.
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07-05-2005, 11:25 PM	#51
regald Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	lol, I'm not trying to debate who has the better defense or overall team. I agree, your free agent acquisitions are very enticing. I think of the biggest factors that led your team to the record they achieved last year compared to the year prior is confidence. Generally, Winning teams go through a tough win in order for them to go on a winning streak, this has a snow piling effect where wins just come and the team builds confidence. This happened when the Colt's beat the Bucanneers (Defending SB Champs) when trailing by 21 points with 4 minutes left in 2003. This came when Carolina beat the Rams in the playoffs in 2004, this came when Pittsburge rallied to beat the Dolphins in week 3 last year. There are many examples. Anyway, I think your momentum and confidence was shattered the year prior thanks to Peyton Manning. Up until that point, you were viewed as almost unbeatable, you could tell from that time going forth that the defense needed a huge overall and it was being more so viewed as the achilles heel. Where as before, they had done just enough to keep you in ball games. If you can gain momentum next year and your defense makes a strong stand in a come from behind win, you can still become that Chiefs team that went 14-2 a few years prior (I believe that was the record).
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07-05-2005, 11:26 PM	#52
arrowhead20 DUHN DUHN DUUUHHHNNN!!!! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kansas city Casino cash: $8059115	all our defense has to do is hold up a 4th quarter lead, witch it is capable of doing now, but they will suprise alot of people this year in the turnover dept. that alone will win us 4 games. the offense will pick up where they left off last year. 12-4 div champs, 1st rnd bye, superbowl, win? cant say right now. __________________ " we're the guys who pay your parking, who buy your 6$ beer, who put money in your pocket!!!!......DONT fuck WITH US!!!!!!!!!!!
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07-06-2005, 12:54 AM	#54
NJ Chief Fan DAMMIT CARL! Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	what do i think they will do this season...not much capture their second lombardi trophy
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