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duncan_idaho · 07:45 AM

Year 4 of the Drinkwitz era, let's discuss.

Schedule

Aug. 31 - South Dakoka - W
Sept 9 - Middle Tennessee - W
Sept 16 - kansas State - W
Sept 23 - Memphis
Sept 30 - @Vanderbilt
Oct 7 - LSU
Oct 14 - @Kentucky
Oct 21 - South Carolina
Nov 4 - @Georgia
Nov 11 - Tennessee
Nov 18 - Florida
Nov 24 - @Arkansas

Recruiting Class
Rivals

DJ's left nut · 07-18-2023, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

He had a torn labrum and played behind one of the worst OLs in the SEC. No shit he's going to struggle.

I'm not saying a healthy Cook is a good QB, but he's at least an average college starter.

Need I remind you he ****ing relied on a transfer RB from Truman St. last year as well.

What's our N here?

Because if 'average college starter' includes the Mountain West, I'd agree with you.

But ultimately he should be a backup in the Power 5. And that's what he was brought here to be - Bazelak didn't work out and Cook ended up with the gig.

It's pretty important to remember that 5-star QBs aren't going to let you layer them, especially not in the free transfer era. If you miss on 'your guy' then the odds are pretty good that Cook is who you end up with.

If Howell and/or Garcia can't unseat him it would suggest either a blind-spot for Cook (which I just don't think exists here) or a real problem in identifying and/or developing quality QBs.

Rams Fan · 07-18-2023, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What's our N here?

Because if 'average college starter' includes the Mountain West, I'd agree with you.

But ultimately he should be a backup in the Power 5. And that's what he was brought here to be - Bazelak didn't work out and Cook ended up with the gig.

It's pretty important to remember that 5-star QBs aren't going to let you layer them, especially not in the free transfer era. If you miss on 'your guy' then the odds are pretty good that Cook is who you end up with.

If Howell and/or Garcia can't unseat him it would suggest either a blind-spot for Cook (which I just don't think exists here) or a real problem in identifying and/or developing quality QBs.

N=133, the # of FBS teams.

If the argument is that Cook shouldn’t be a Power 5 starter, I don’t disagree. But to act as if he’s a WR playing QB for an entire season in a gimmicky offense would be inaccurate.

Wouldn’t be too concerned if Garcia can’t unseat him. Would be if Horn isn’t able to before the season ends.

dlphg9 · 07-18-2023, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

N=133, the # of FBS teams.

If the argument is that Cook shouldn’t be a Power 5 starter, I don’t disagree. But to act as if he’s a WR playing QB for an entire season in a gimmicky offense would be inaccurate.

Wouldn’t be too concerned if Garcia can’t unseat him. Would be if Horn isn’t able to before the season ends.

If Cook starts, then Eli should be publicly beheaded at the first home game.

DJ's left nut · 07-18-2023, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

N=133, the # of FBS teams.

If the argument is that Cook shouldn’t be a Power 5 starter, I don’t disagree. But to act as if he’s a WR playing QB for an entire season in a gimmicky offense would be inaccurate.

Wouldn’t be too concerned if Garcia can’t unseat him. Would be if Horn isn’t able to before the season ends.

Okay - I can accept that.

No, he's not Trent Hosick or anything. He's just really limited in what he can do. He's Chase Patton. Patton was smart, hard working and would've started for a number of lesser schools. Or he could've gone about .500 for those Chase Daniel era teams when a truly dynamic passer was taking the program to unprecedented levels.

He didn't start at Mizzou because we had a better guy in front of him and that's really the situation we need to find ourselves in.

BryanBusby · 07-18-2023, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Aside from Vanderbilt, I’d take Cook over Mertz at Florida.

Would take Carson Beck over Cook.

Cook vs. Mertz is a true fart vs poop question.

ChiefsCountry · 07-18-2023, 09:05 PM

Unless Horn beats out Cook, I don't see a better QB than Cook on the current roster.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-18-2023, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Okay - I can accept that.

No, he's not Trent Hosick or anything. He's just really limited in what he can do. He's Chase Patton. Patton was smart, hard working and would've started for a number of lesser schools. Or he could've gone about .500 for those Chase Daniel era teams when a truly dynamic passer was taking the program to unprecedented levels.

He didn't start at Mizzou because we had a better guy in front of him and that's really the situation we need to find ourselves in.

"Chase Daniel can win the Heisman. His backup can win the Super Bowl."

dlphg9 · 07-18-2023, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Unless Horn beats out Cook, I don't see a better QB than Cook on the current roster.

How do you have any idea if any QB is better than Cook? Did you see them play sometime that I didn't? There are 3 4* QBs on this roster. I have a hard time believing that none of them are better than Cook.

Titty Meat · 07-18-2023, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Drink should just start packing up his office.

Say he gets you to another bowl and you fire him who do you get? How often does it workout when a school fires a coach who gets you to bowls and the guy replacing him does better? Your not getting Meyer or Fitzgerald why not give him more time?

BryanBusby · 07-19-2023, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Say he gets you to another bowl and you fire him who do you get? How often does it workout when a school fires a coach who gets you to bowls and the guy replacing him does better? Your not getting Meyer or Fitzgerald why not give him more time?

The standard shouldn't be oh look, they barely qualified for the horse cock bowl of Limpdick, Idaho.

Yeah you ****in' fire him if he can't find a QB after 4 years. That's long enough to find somebody.

That's Scott Frost copium talk. Mizzou is SEC. Being happy with mediocre should never be acceptable.

That's half of the problem with the program currently. Too many people have accepted mediocrity.

Titty Meat · 07-19-2023, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

The standard shouldn't be oh look, they barely qualified for the horse cock bowl of Limpdick, Idaho.

Yeah you ****in' fire him if he can't find a QB after 4 years. That's long enough to find somebody.

That's Scott Frost copium talk. Mizzou is SEC. Being happy with mediocre should never be acceptable.

That's half of the problem with the program currently. Too many people have accepted mediocrity.

Program was in the dumps when he came along not as bad as when Pinkel took over which btw it took him several years.

**jjchieffan** · 07-19-2023, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

The standard shouldn't be oh look, they barely qualified for the horse cock bowl of Limpdick, Idaho.

Yeah you ****in' fire him if he can't find a QB after 4 years. That's long enough to find somebody.

That's Scott Frost copium talk. Mizzou is SEC. Being happy with mediocre should never be acceptable.

That's half of the problem with the program currently. Too many people have accepted mediocrity.

So, you prefer to be like Nebraska, who fired perennial 10 win coaches in Frank Solich and Bo Pelini who then went on to suck under their replacement? Of course, if Drink could get to 10 wins, his job would be safe. But, my point is, that the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence. I want to see Mizzou as a championship contender. If Drink isn't the guy to get them there, so be it. But let's not get hasty about firing him. The replacement could set the team back like Nebraska's hires have set their team back.

BryanBusby · 07-19-2023, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

So, you prefer to be like Nebraska, who fired perennial 10 win coaches in Frank Solich and Bo Pelini who then went on to suck under their replacement? Of course, if Drink could get to 10 wins, his job would be safe. But, my point is, that the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence. I want to see Mizzou as a championship contender. If Drink isn't the guy to get them there, so be it. But let's not get hasty about firing him. The replacement could set the team back like Nebraska's hires have set their team back.

That's the take you got? Sorry reading comprehension isn't a strong thing for you.

The Pelini comparison isn't relevant. We're not in a trashcan Big 10 division.

We're talking about anything beyond 6-6, not a title game appearance.

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Program was in the dumps when he came along not as bad as when Pinkel took over which btw it took him several years.

Nobody is arguing the program was a dump. I called Odom a clownshow from the start while this thread insisted he was actially really smart.

Going into year 4 though, you need to see growth. If you're hitting your ceiling and that ceiling is barely qualifying for an entry level bowl, you need to make a change.

4 years is long enough to start expecting some results. You guys are being nuts here.

Titty Meat · 07-19-2023, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

That's the take you got? Sorry reading comprehension isn't a strong thing for you.

The Pelini comparison isn't relevant. We're not in a trashcan Big 10 division.

We're talking about anything beyond 6-6, not a title game appearance.

Nobody is arguing the program was a dump. I called Odom a clownshow from the start while this thread insisted he was actially really smart.

Going into year 4 though, you need to see growth. If you're hitting your ceiling and that ceiling is barely qualifying for an entry level bowl, you need to make a change.

4 years is long enough to start expecting some results. You guys are being nuts here.

I guess my question is who do you think you will get after firing a guy who's taken you to a bowl every year he's been a coach at MU? I can give you countless examples of coaches who've been successful when given a little bit of time. I can also show you plenty of programs who've failed when they quick to fire a coach.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but I don't exactly recall alot of proven names who were serious candidates for the job the last few times ya'll were looking. Rhule comes to mind but he was an unknown at the time. I think your expectations are a little high

JohnnyHammersticks · 07-19-2023, 08:27 PM

If neither Garcia or Horn can beat out Cook then it’s pretty clear that Drink is clueless in terms of QB evaluation and development.

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