BURROWHEAD: Bengals talking a lot of sh1ttttt

[NIUhuskies]

I love that are doing this. Probably not smart to poke the bear

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— ZIM (@zimwhodey) January 24, 2023

Willie just posted this one on his story

I just feel like everyone is going to spend all week talking about Mahomes' ankle or Burrow being a Demigod or Chase against this young secondary or Lou Anarumo being a psychopath...and then in the end it's just going to Samaje Perine bludgeoning Bolton and Gay to death.

— Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) January 23, 2023

AU_wde_2 posted [Willie Gay on IG] Taking some bulletin board material from Brett Kollmann https://t.co/NclopGIsUv https://t.co/gLVGqLP4N2

— r/KansasCityChiefs (@ChiefsOnReddit) January 24, 2023

I appreciate a good troll job….hats off to Cincinnati…definitely the only time I’m saying it. #ArrowheadInvitational #burrowhead #ChiefsKingdom #whodey #bengals pic.twitter.com/SH2tT9z4Or

— Bean (@JoeyFakaBean) January 24, 2023

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

Yes, he is what he is--to my point--a great QB on a shit franchise that has done more than anyone except maybe one guy, with this particular team.

You can keep ignoring everything but the results for CIN, BUF and SF, while KC has a clear advantage in the 3 critical areas (FO, HC, QB) and i'll keep posting twixters and stats until a magic fairy comes along and sprinkles pixie dust on my team.

Let me know when your trophy for teh best statz arrives in the mail.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Burrow had plenty of support their last few years.

Meanwhile Pat had Brady and Belichick BEAT if not for a pinky called offsides with the worst defense in football

[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni

Burrow had plenty of support their last few years.

Meanwhile Pat had Brady and Belichick BEAT if not for a pinky called offsides with the worst defense in football

Scored 24 points in the 4th quarter.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni

I have him at more than 9 "failures" fyi 21 losses in those close games is pathetic. Either extend the lead or put the damn game away like 15 does.

First of all, dingleberry, unless you're a biased troll, no you don't have him a more than 9. The total games they've lost by one score or less is 19. In a couple of those games, burrow failed to extend/win and then the defense failed to stop the GWD, so they both get credit.

And FYI, Pat has 22 losses of one score or less.

Burrow - 7 GWD, 19 one score losses
Mahomes - 18 GWD, 22 one score losses

For reference, Herbert has 14 game winning drives. Does that put him near Mahomes level?

[Bengal Billy]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

I'll be there so if they don't, i'm gonna go ahead and burn the stadium down.

Good luck rfaulk. I'll be looking for the stadium fire on tv at the end if they lose to the Raiders.

Skipping this one myself. Eyeing to return to Paycor Dec 1 against the Squealers.

And BTW, Chiefs know all about having an atrocious (injured o-line) in a SB. Didn't turn out so well for them either. Not even Mahomes was able to overcome that (and that's really saying something).

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

First of all, dingleberry, unless you're a biased troll, no you don't have him a more than 9. The total games they've lost by one score or less is 19. In a couple of those games, burrow failed to extend/win and then the defense failed to stop the GWD, so they both get credit.

And FYI, Pat has 22 losses of one score or less.

Burrow - 7 GWD, 19 one score losses
Mahomes - 18 GWD, 22 one score losses

For reference, Herbert has 14 game winning drives. Does that put him near Mahomes level?

Excluding Playoffs, Mahomes has 63 wins that didn’t require a game-winning drive. Herbert only has 20 wins excluding the game-winning drives. 79% win rate overall for Mahomes and a 49% win rate for Herbert. Not great for Justin.

[TinyEvel]

Had to check in here to understand why the heck this thread is still on the front page.

We beat these guys in week two. Moving on.

[TinyEvel]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

I mentioned in a post earlier about how i was going to break down all the Bengals losses by one score or less on my mothership--to test Burrow's "clutchness"--in an earlier post and someone wanted me to post it here. I'm not going to post all the stats for each game, just the critical, 'did he get it done or not'. If you want to see the stats (which i'm sure you don't) head over to my board and check them out in the post 'i know a couple posters will be really upset to see this' from post #168 to #240.

The Bengals have 19 losses by one score or less from 2020-2024. Here's a breakdown of each game to assess where Burrow failed to extend a lead or take the lead/win game and where the defense failed to stop a GWD.

2020
LAC - threw TD pass @0:07. Called back on OPI. Missed GWFG as time expired.
CLE - threw TD pass @0:43. Still down by 5 at that point.
IND - threw INT to seal the loss.
CLE - threw TD to take lead @1:06 to take lead. Defense surrendered GWD @0:11.
1 failure to extend lead beyond one score or win game (IND).
1 defense failed to prevent GWD (2nd CLE game).

2021
CHI - threw back to back TDs to get within 3. Defense couldn't get stop on CHI final drive to end game.
GBP - missed GWFG @0:21. Threw INT in OT. Missed GWFG in OT.
NYJ - threw INT w/lead, jets took the lead @3:45. Failed to do anything on last drive.
SF - threw TD to tie at end of regulation. drove to FG in OT to take lead before defense gives up GWD.
LAR - failed to extend lead in 4th on multiple drives. Failed to get in range or take lead on last drive.
4 failure to extend lead beyond one score or win game (GBP, NYJ, SF, LAR)
1 defense failed to prevent GWD (SF in OT).

2022
PIT - threw TD pass to tie at the end of regulation. XP blocked. Missed GWFG in OT.
DAL - threw TD and 2pt conv to tie game @3:45. Defense gives up GWD.
BALT - scores go ahead TD @1:56. Defense gives up GWD.
KC - fails to drive team to GWD. Defense gives up GWD.
1 failure to extend lead beyond one score or win game (KC).
3 defense fails to prevent GWD (DAL, BALT, KC).

2023
BALT - threw TD pass @3:28. Still down by 3 at that point. Ravens run out clock.
HOU - Boyd drops TD pass @1:38. FG ties. Defense gives up GWD.
0 failures to extend lead beyond one score or win game.
1 defense fails to prevent GWD (HOU).

2024
NE - failed to do anything on last drive.
KC - failed to extend lead at end of game. Defense gives up GWD
WASH - TD drive @0:40. Still down by 5 at this point. Failed on sides kick.
BALT - throws INT and ravens tie game @1:36. Missed GWFG in OT. Defense gives up GWD.
3 failures to extend lead beyond one score or win game (NE, KC, BALT).
2 defense fails to prevent GWD (KC, BALT).

Burrow failures = 9
Defense failures = 8
Still down, other team runs out clock = 4

PS - His wrist is fine, dork.

Gosh I feel sorry for you with so much futile analysis. You remind me of an Alex Smith era Chiefs fan.

True fact though: The Bengals are currently the best 3-5 team in the entire NFL.

[Chief_N_Bama]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

2019 - seasonal - good Oline, running, not that great, defense 7th pts, 17th yds.
SB - good Oline, running, 29/129/2/4.5ypc, defense gave up 20 pts.

2020 - seasonal - good Oline, running, ok. 12th ypc, defense 10th pts, 16th yds.
SB - bad Oline, running, 17/107/0/6.3ypc, defense gave up 31 pts.

2022 - seasonal - good Oline, running, ok. 8th ypc, defense 16th pts, 11th yds.
SB - good Oline, running, 26/158/1/6.1ypc, defense gave up 35 pts.

2023 - seasonal - good Oline, running, ok. 13th ypc, defense 2nd pts, 2nd yds.
SB - good Oline, running, 30/130/0/4.3ypc, defense gave up 22 pts.

You had a bad Oline in one instance--2020 SB.
You had a less than mediocre run game once--2019 season but they were good in the SB.
You never had worse than an average defense in season and in the SB, gave up 20 and 22 in 2 of the 4 games.

Won’t bother responding to your entire inaccurate and cherry picked post except to point out that the Chiefs won their first Super Bowl with a running game ranked 20th in ypc and 23 in ypg. Check your stats and move your goalposts.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Chief_N_Bama

Won’t bother responding to your entire inaccurate and cherry picked post except to point out that the Chiefs won their first Super Bowl with a running game ranked 20th in ypc and 23 in ypg. Check your stats and move your goalposts.

I don't think you understand the meaning of cherry picked and moving goalposts. But if you bothered reading you would see i said their run game in season wasn't that great.

[Chief_N_Bama]

Originally Posted by Bengal Billy

Good luck rfaulk. I'll be looking for the stadium fire on tv at the end if they lose to the Raiders.

Skipping this one myself. Eyeing to return to Paycor Dec 1 against the Squealers.

And BTW, Chiefs know all about having an atrocious (injured o-line) in a SB. Didn't turn out so well for them either. Not even Mahomes was able to overcome that (and that's really saying something).

Good thing that wasn’t Mahomes’ only Super Bowl appearance like it was for burrow, right?

[Chief_N_Bama]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

I don't think you understand the meaning of cherry picked and moving goalposts. But if you bothered reading you would see i said their run game in season wasn't that great.

Lol… you used ypc… sometimes… then ypg… sometimes… then sometimes you used seasonal stats… others you used game stats. You didn’t including RANKINGS which are a better indicator of how “good” or “bad” something is. You also exclude the passing stats. You referred to 2019 run game as “not great” when it was “below average”. Your point was refuted by the very first Super Bowl. In addition to the run game being below average defense was average in 2019. Rush defense allowed a 28th ranked 4.9 ypc and 26th ranked ypg. But teams couldn’t lean on their run game against the Chiefs. Why? The oline was an AllPro RT, an above average LT, and Jags in the middle. Why do you think the run game sucked? But they were “good” because why?

So, if an average D, an average line, and a below average run game are all that are need to hoist a Lombardi where are Joes? Or Lamar’s? Or Purdys? Or Goffs’? Or Bakers? Or Daks?

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

I don't disagree with anything you said. The only point i'm making is that, without the defense from last year and to a lesser extent, the year before, you're not even in a position to win the rings.

No doubt, when given the chance, Pat comes through in the end--which is why i've said before he's the scariest guy with the ball in his hands and a chance to win in the end. And all things being said, no one remembers or wants to talk about specifics after the fact. It's all about did you get the job done or didn't you.

Burrow had a bad oline and no running game in '21. With that, he was about 1 second from wearing a ring if someone...anyone, could have kept Donald off him in less than 2 seconds. He had a bad oline and no running game in '22 against the Chiefs and still had a chance to win at the end. This year the defense is a shit show, he still doesn't have a consistent decent running game, but at least the Oline is better (middle of the pack at best) in passpro.

Excuses are like assholes, they all stink but it's extremely frustrating for me to see how other teams win rings and make dynasties while i have to sit here and watch the Bengals **** up a good thing time after time (3 x in the SB) by their very own doing by not knowing, being able to, or simply being too stubborn in wanting to do it their way.

You guys can keep shitting on Burrow and breaking out stats about 'no 4th qtr tds in the playoffs' but he's done things for this specific shit-show of a team that few other guys could do. Then you can go ahead and say 'sure because elite wrs'. Except that he's done it without them.

He's not Mahomes because no one who's ever played QB in the NFL has ever been Mahomes, but as a QB he's never been worse than top 3 and he's done it with one of the most poverty franchises of all professional sports, ever. Without Burrow, we're the Cincinnati Temu Football team.

I honestly do feel for you. I remember Mahomes’ first AFCCG when he did all that he could to have won the game only for the defense to cost him a chance at a SB rematch with the Rams. It was already bad enough that they couldn’t stop a cold, but Ward had the game ending INT only for it to be called back due to an offsides. It was crushing. To make it worse, Scandrick goes on TV and blames the offense for the loss.

Two years later he was absolutely running for his life as his OLine failed him in the SB. KC’s never had a true dominant run game before this year so they were very one dimensional, so it is understandable where you are coming from.

Regarding the Bengals now, I do think Burrow is better than some give him credit for. I also don’t blame him for making as much money as he can because your owner is cheap and your front office seems to have lost some magic as they aren’t bringing in quality FAs like they were with Trey and Reader.

They absolutely botched the whole Tee situation, took far too long in making the protection of Burrow a priority. Now with Chase due to get a new deal they are going to have to pay him even more than had they signed him right after Jefferson.

To this day I think they should have traded Chase last offseason. Having an elite WR is great, but when your team has as many holes as they do, they could have really used the extra picks they got for him in what was a very deep draft last year. They still could have signed Tee for far less than Chase and still given Burrow a weapon. His WR core would not have been as good, and the offense might have taken a hit, but they would have been more solid across the board, which KC has shown to be very successful the last two years.

Now don’t get me wrong, no QB can do it all on their own and it does take a village to win a SB (unless you hit lightning in a bottle one year). But for that to happen there has to be buy in from the owner down to the QB. Until then Cincy will always be fighting an uphill battle.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Chief_N_Bama

Lol… you used ypc… sometimes… then ypg… sometimes… then sometimes you used seasonal stats… others you used game stats. You didn’t including RANKINGS which are a better indicator of how “good” or “bad” something is. You also exclude the passing stats. You referred to 2019 run game as “not great” when it was “below average”. Your point was refuted by the very first Super Bowl. In addition to the run game being below average defense was average in 2019. Rush defense allowed a 28th ranked 4.9 ypc and 26th ranked ypg. But teams couldn’t lean on their run game against the Chiefs. Why? The oline was an AllPro RT, an above average LT, and Jags in the middle. Why do you think the run game sucked? But they were “good” because why?

So, if an average D, an average line, and a below average run game are all that are need to hoist a Lombardi where are Joes? Or Lamar’s? Or Purdys? Or Goffs’? Or Bakers? Or Daks?

It appears you don't even understand the assignment.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by tredadda

I honestly do feel for you. I remember Mahomes’ first AFCCG when he did all that he could to have won the game only for the defense to cost him a chance at a SB rematch with the Rams. It was already bad enough that they couldn’t stop a cold, but Ward had the game ending INT only for it to be called back due to an offsides. It was crushing. To make it worse, Scandrick goes on TV and blames the offense for the loss.

Two years later he was absolutely running for his life as his OLine failed him in the SB. KC’s never had a true dominant run game before this year so they were very one dimensional, so it is understandable where you are coming from.

Regarding the Bengals now, I do think Burrow is better than some give him credit for. I also don’t blame him for making as much money as he can because your owner is cheap and your front office seems to have lost some magic as they aren’t bringing in quality FAs like they were with Trey and Reader.

They absolutely botched the whole Tee situation, took far too long in making the protection of Burrow a priority. Now with Chase due to get a new deal they are going to have to pay him even more than had they signed him right after Jefferson.

To this day I think they should have traded Chase last offseason. Having an elite WR is great, but when your team has as many holes as they do, they could have really used the extra picks they got for him in what was a very deep draft last year. They still could have signed Tee for far less than Chase and still given Burrow a weapon. His WR core would not have been as good, and the offense might have taken a hit, but they would have been more solid across the board, which KC has shown to be very successful the last two years.

Now don’t get me wrong, no QB can do it all on their own and it does take a village to win a SB (unless you hit lightning in a bottle one year). But for that to happen there has to be buy in from the owner down to the QB. Until then Cincy will always be fighting an uphill battle.

I would have traded Tee, no matter how much Chase was gonna cost. You really need one elite weapon and Tee is just too injury prone.