*****The Josh Simmons Thread*****

[Dante84]

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— Patrick Mahomes II (@PatrickMahomes) April 25, 2025

Several teams agree: Josh Simmons had best tape of any OT last year. And they aren't very concerned with recovery on the torn patella tendon. More of the concern is maturity/character. But he's going to the ideal, veteran-laden place.

— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) April 25, 2025

the #chiefs get LT Josh Simmons out of Ohio State. If Simmons didn't suffer a torn patellar tendon he would have been the first tackle off the board. I had one team tell me he was the most athletic and talented tackle tape they watched. There are some maturity issues, but this…

— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs have selected #OSU OT Josh Simmons at No. 32, a player recovering nicely from a torn patellar tendon. They are comfortable with his rehab and did endless homework on it. https://t.co/awdb0JhPed

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs are selecting Ohio State LT Josh Simmons at No. 32 to close out Round 1.

A key addition to bolster the offensive line in front of Patrick Mahomes. pic.twitter.com/oBx2CjzmCe

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) April 25, 2025

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Shoes

I mean the counter argument to this is 31 other teams who have teams of medical professionals passed on Simmons when it was widely regarded that at Simmons peak in the 2024 season that he was the most talented LT in the draft. If his medical concern wasn't that big of an issue, he would have been taken much higher. Anyone trying to downplay the injury isn't being objective.

Fellas it is what it is- a high risk/high reward draft pick. Neither side is correct or wrong, only time will tell if the gamble pays off.

Yes any injury presents risk… which affected his draft stock… but to argue that he’ll never be an effective player or recover from this injury… is directly disagreeing with the medical assessment of the Chiefs athletic trainer with 30+ years experience.

That’s a strange flex.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Shoes

I mean the counter argument to this is 31 other teams who have teams of medical professionals passed on Simmons when it was widely regarded that at Simmons peak in the 2024 season that he was the most talented LT in the draft. If his medical concern wasn't that big of an issue, he would have been taken much higher. Anyone trying to downplay the injury isn't being objective.

Fellas it is what it is- a high risk/high reward draft pick. Neither side is correct or wrong, only time will tell if the gamble pays off.

Several teams agree: Josh Simmons had best tape of any OT last year. And they aren't very concerned with recovery on the torn patella tendon. More of the concern is maturity/character. But he's going to the ideal, veteran-laden place.

— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) April 25, 2025

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by nicksdad

Sorry . Correction . Bent over by eagles and bucs . You recall those right ?

Sure, the Bucs loss wasn't due to them having a better roster. If you recall, KC lost both of their All-Pro tackles during the season (one in the AFC Championship game). No team is equipped to deal with injuries concentrated in one area like that late in the season.

[smithandrew051]

I will applaud the consistency of this board on this player.

Most people who didn’t want him are sticking to that.

Most that deferred to the Chiefs are staying with that.

Most that wanted him are celebrating it.

I get kinda annoyed when someone just finds a way to love or hate something.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The KC media needs to ask Veach and Reid why they think Simmons will be different than all the studies on this. It definitely is concerning when you look at those and see the history of NFL players that are never the same.

If I'm reading what I can find on the net correctly, Simmons had a different type of surgery than you would normally see with a complete patellar tendon tear.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by nicksdad

You know who has the med records and medical expertise and didn’t take Simmons . 31 other teams . But we know better . Ok . I stand corrected

Just like all of the teams who passed on Trey Smith because of his medical records/history?

It’s also about where you are selecting a player in the draft.

Selecting in the top 10… like New England did with Will Campbell will make a team more risk averse than selecting at 32.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

Yes any injury presents risk… which affected his draft stock… but to argue that he’ll never be an effective player or recover from this injury… is directly disagreeing with the medical assessment of the Chiefs athletic trainer with 30+ years experience.

That’s a strange flex.

There was a national study on players who suffered this injury from 2009 to 2022 and it wasn’t good.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11806464/

Only 16% of players came back to start as many games as within 2 seasons after their injury as they did before injury.

”Previously, the literature has shown that, even with timely surgical repair of QT and PT tears, players often never return to their preinjury performance level.”

Maybe Burkholder is right, but there’s overwhelming evidence in the other direction and it shouldn’t be hand-waived.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Sure, the Bucs loss wasn't due to them having a better roster. If you recall, KC lost both of their All-Pro tackles during the season (one in the AFC Championship game). No team is equipped to deal with injuries concentrated in one area like that late in the season.

Not to mention 2 OL Covid opt outs and Osemele going down too.

I think there was even another guy who went down, but I’m blanking on who.

At minimum, the Chiefs lost 5 guys on the OL. You just can’t build for that kind of luck.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Several teams agree: Josh Simmons had best tape of any OT last year. And they aren't very concerned with recovery on the torn patella tendon. More of the concern is maturity/character. But he's going to the ideal, veteran-laden place.

— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) April 25, 2025

Nobody is concerned about the knee. They just all passed on him because of...character concerns? I haven't even heard about those. What the **** is that all about?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by RunKC

There was a national study on players who suffered this injury from 2009 to 2022 and it wasn’t good.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11806464/

Only 16% of players came back to start as many games as within 2 seasons after their injury as they did before injury.



Maybe Burkholder is right, but there’s overwhelming evidence in the other direction and it shouldn’t be hand-waived.

Do you think that Burkholder is unaware of that historical data?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

I will applaud the consistency of this board on this player.

Most people who didn’t want him are sticking to that.

Most that deferred to the Chiefs are staying with that.

Most that wanted him are celebrating it.

I get kinda annoyed when someone just finds a way to love or hate something.

I hated the idea of taking a RB in the 1st round.

We did it. I talked myself into it.

Just not doing that again.

If I'm proven wrong, I'm proven wrong -- I've been wrong before. But I'm not gonna doubt my gut anymore.

That's why the "Trust in Veach" stuff rings particularly hollow. Because more often than not when I have REALLY not liked a pick he's made, I've been right. And when I've absolutely loved a pick he's made, I've said it...and I've been right.

Where Veach absolutely kills me, something he does I can never ever do, is be right on a guy I simply don't know shit about. And he deserves all the credit in the world for that. Danna, Snead, Chenal, Allegretti (and I'm sure others I'm forgetting) -- those are all guys that were completely off my radar that were good picks. That's where he's been exceptional.

But I think people underestimate the hit rate of the 'drafturbators' when it comes to guys they have strong opinions on. A ton of us are pretty damn reliable on BOTH sides of this ledger.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

Just like all of the teams who passed on Trey Smith because of his medical records/history?

It’s also about where you are selecting a player in the draft.

Selecting in the top 10… like New England did with Will Campbell will make a team more risk averse than selecting at 32.

We’re all happy Trey Smith worked out, but it’s not like the Chiefs just knew better than everyone else. They passed on him several times before pulling the trigger really late.

If the Chiefs knew Trey would work out, then it was very risky to pass on him so many times.

I think that pick sounded like the risk was minimal enough that late to take a chance.

This is a first round pick. The Chiefs absolutely have to be right on this.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by wazu

Nobody is concerned about the knee. They just all passed on him because of...character concerns? I haven't even heard about those. What the **** is that all about?

Just further proof that we don't know what we don't know.

[Shoes]

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

Yes any injury presents risk… which affected his draft stock… but to argue that he’ll never be an effective player or recover from this injury… is directly disagreeing with the medical assessment of the Chiefs athletic trainer with 30+ years experience.

That’s a strange flex.

First we have to establish that there is a significant difference between the type of injuries and how they impact a player's career. If we can't agree on that, then we aren't going to be able to have any type of productive conversation.

Secondly, I understand you are trying to establish that if the Chiefs athletic trainer gave his blessing that we should have some faith. My counter argument is that there are teams in the NFL draft that passed on Simmons because their athletic trainers did not give their blessing.

It isn't really complicated, some people see the injury history of patellar tendon's and hate the data, that is fair. Some people see the upside of Simmons and scarcity of the position and think the gamble is justified. I can see both sides of the argument and they are both valid.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by wazu

Nobody is concerned about the knee. They just all passed on him because of...character concerns? I haven't even heard about those. What the **** is that all about?

The "does he love football" stuff surfaced about a month ago.

A few folks mentioned it in the draft forum. I just threw it on top of the pile...