Pittbulls kill 2 year old and 5 month old

[TripleThreat]

Two young children are dead and their mother suffered major injuries after two family dogs attacked a baby and toddler outside their West Tennessee home.Kirstie Bennard, 30, suffered critical injuries when she tried to intervene in the attack on her 5-month-old boy, Hollace Dean, and 2-year-old girl, Lilly Jane, family and police said.

"She put her body on top of Lilly’s to try and protect her after the attack started," Bennard's uncle by marriage, Jeff Gibson told USA TODAY on Saturday. "Both (dogs) started attacking her while she lay on Lilly."The two children were pronounced dead when officials arrived at the home, the sheriff's office reported.

It was not immediately known what provoked the mauling.The mauling, Gibson said, lasted about 10 minutes.The dogs – two pit bulls that belonged to the family – were euthanized at Memphis Animal Services Thursday.

The family owned the pets, Cheech and Mia, for more than eight years without a violent incident, Kelsey Canfield, the mother's best friend, told Fox News.

"I can promise you those children were her world, and if there was any inkling of danger, she would have never had those dogs near her kids," Canfield told the outlet. "Those children were everything to them, and they just have a really long journey ahead."

Full Article: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ng/8219201001/

How do you feel about PittBull's? I posted this because my wife shared this story with me and my son was just recently participating in a "read to sheltered dogs" event where you could adopt a dog (I know brilliant).

I've heard the arguments that PittBull's get a bad wrap, but it seems time and time again they are the focal point of dogs who do these horrible acts.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by Bwana

It definitely packs a wallop, but not as much as you would think, depending how hot the rounds you're running through it. With 2900 ft/lb. muzzle energy, it's going to rock you a little bit. The weight, combined with the muzzle break tame it a little bit. I had a .454 Casull Taurus Raging Bull at one point and that that thing was a lot worse, particularly with hot rounds. Every time I would squeeze a round off with that thing, it felt like my hand was getting hit with a sledge hammer. The .500 is nothing like that.

I generally run 60 rounds through the .500 in the spring in one sitting to get dialed back in, then 20 each time I'm in the mountains. Ammo for the .500 has doubled in price over the last two years as well. Even light rounds are crazy. If a guy is used to shooting a .22, or a 9mm, It will take some rounds down rage to get used to, no doubt about it. With that said, it's a really fun gun to shoot and I would highly recommend picking one up.

I can confirm this although I'd compare it more to hitting a telephone like you're going for a home run with a composite baseball bat.

[Otter]

I used to let my 65lb pure muscle boxer walk (not sure who was walking who) w/o a leash and never had a problem once except for when a pit barked at me. That dog could be a 1/2 mile away and hear my voice and come running to see what I had to say. She was kind of aggressive to people who got near me when I was sleeping.

Never hit her once outside of a playful pat in the ass. If you want a powerful dog at least get a trainer if you don't know what your doing.


EDIT: The dog that provoked her just happened to be a pit. I've known plenty of solid pit owners.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Who was the "Pitbull guy" again? BigDaddy, right?

This thread needs his burst.

I have done all the stats on this over and over and yet the same small group of people who were born scared continue to show up literally terrified of everything. Last I checked there were approximately 330M people in this country and about 30 people die annually from all dogs. That’s one in 11M. We don’t have a dog problem. The truth about the APBT is they have been raised endlessly to not be human aggressive as they handle them in the pit in the heat of battle. I have never seen one be food aggressive, game raised or not. They say the French bully is now the most popular breed but that’s BS. Pitbulls have been the most popular breed for a very long time and remain so, especially if you consider mixed breeds. When you mix that breed with another that is not nearly as mentally stable I would consider that irresponsible and potentially dangerous FWIW. For the most part though they are not getting the human aggression gene from pits. That said there are always bad dogs.
For a trip down memory when they wanted to kill many breeds awhile back they started with anything that looked like a pit in Donkeyland. The burden of proof was not on the government, it was on the owner. In Denver alone they killed almost 4000 dogs that were pits or looked like pits. Imagine your child watching the authorities take the dog they love and kill it. To me the people that condone this are sick, weak, ****ing assholes. Back in the day when I posted on this subject a lot I proved over and over again when our MSM reported on a pit attack that the majority of the time back then they were not even pits. You remember those right? The nightly fear report with the picture of the drooling, rabid, fear inducing dog picture to go with the BS story.
Fortunately for this breed and many others they would like to go after the pendulum is going the other direction. I would say the vast majority of people know of several families with kids that have great pitbulls. The breed is athletic, fearless and loyal. For an experienced owner who is willing to put in the time this breed needs to really shine it is not only a good breed, it is a great breed. If you don't believe me, ask Patrick Mahomes

[seclark]

I just don’t think you can shoot a pissed off dog with a pistol. I mean I wouldn’t try, I’d grab a shotgun, or an automatic rifle.
But if you’re holding a dog in one hand, and trying to draw a bead on a pissed off pit, you have to be a special person to put that dog down, imo.
Look for another way.
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[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I have done all the stats on this over and over and yet the same small group of people who were born scared continue to show up literally terrified of everything. Last I checked there were approximately 330M people in this country and about 30 people die annually from all dogs. That’s one in 11M. We don’t have a dog problem. The truth about the APBT is they have been raised endlessly to not be human aggressive as they handle them in the pit in the heat of battle. I have never seen one be food aggressive, game raised or not. They say the French bully is now the most popular breed but that’s BS. Pitbulls have been the most popular breed for a very long time and remain so, especially if you consider mixed breeds. When you mix that breed with another that is not nearly as mentally stable I would consider that irresponsible and potentially dangerous FWIW. For the most part though they are not getting the human aggression gene from pits. That said there are always bad dogs.
For a trip down memory when they wanted to kill many breeds awhile back they started with anything that looked like a pit in Donkeyland. The burden of proof was not on the government, it was on the owner. In Denver alone they killed almost 4000 dogs that were pits or looked like pits. Imagine your child watching the authorities take the dog they love and kill it. To me the people that condone this are sick, weak, ****ing assholes. Back in the day when I posted on this subject a lot I proved over and over again when our MSM reported on a pit attack that the majority of the time back then they were not even pits. You remember those right? The nightly fear report with the picture of the drooling, rabid, fear inducing dog picture to go with the BS story.
Fortunately for this breed and many others they would like to go after the pendulum is going the other direction. I would say the vast majority of people know of several families with kids that have great pitbulls. The breed is athletic, fearless and loyal. For an experienced owner who is willing to put in the time this breed needs to really shine it is not only a good breed, it is a great breed. If you don't believe me, ask Patrick Mahomes

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[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Frazod

You know what, Clay? Get a ****ing Hi-Point. It's the gun you deserve.

I think a HP JXP 10 may be too much gun for a "man" of Clay's...calibre.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by seclark

But if you’re holding a dog in one hand, and trying to draw a bead on a pissed off pit, you have to be a special person to put that dog down, imo.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke! In Raytown his job was to dispose of enemy dogs. To deliver mail! Period! Win by attrition. Well, Clay was the best.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Then if you're going to get a gun, get that P365XL Fraz linked. I use it and it's a good gun. Good for CC. And you don't want to be running a bunch of different types of ammo.

I haven't fired a shitload of different CC guns, but that 365XL is a good gun.

You guys are trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Based on his posts he wants a small, light, pocket gun. He likes revolvers cause his dad carried one
Every one is different and prefers different types of guns. Best advice would be to go shoot them and make your choice.

However, if you are going to recommend a pistol over a revolver he would be probably be more interested in something like a ruger lc9.

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/1000...stol-100024385

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke! In Raytown his job was to dispose of enemy dogs. To deliver mail! Period! Win by attrition. Well, Clay was the best.

You are NOT John Rambo.

You're watchin' M'lady Get Rammedblown

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

You guys are trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Based on his posts he wants a small, light, pocket gun. He likes revolvers cause his dad carried one
Every one is different and prefers different types of guns. Best advice would be to go shoot them and make your choice.

However, if you are going to recommend a pistol over a revolver he would be probably be more interested in something like a ruger lc9.

When it comes to Clay, we're trying to put a smart peg in a stupid hole.

I own Ruger LC9S, for one reason. If I'm going somewhere that I know I have to go through a metal detector or get wanded and have to leave the gun in the car, I carry the Ruger because I don't give a shit if somebody steals it. Ruger is the absolute lowest quality firearm I'll own. Sure, it's light. But it has a tiny magazine and a middling at best trigger. I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH HOW IMPORTANT A GOOD TRIGGER IS ON A HANDGUN. I do trust it to go bang when I pull the trigger. That's about the only thing I like about it.

But again, the Sig P365XL (or X) isn't that much bigger or heavier, and is an exponentially better gun.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

You guys are trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Based on his posts he wants a small, light, pocket gun. He likes revolvers cause his dad carried one
Every one is different and prefers different types of guns. Best advice would be to go shoot them and make your choice.

However, if you are going to recommend a pistol over a revolver he would be probably be more interested in something like a ruger lc9.

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/1000...stol-100024385

This topic is almost as volatile as "who has the best BBQ?".

The best weapon is the one you can hit what you aim at and with at 115gr JHP +p the 9mm is pretty much perfect for a CCW against anything human or smaller IMHO. I've always had good luck with Springfield for what it's worth. Not sure why they're not more popular.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by Frazod

When it comes to Clay, we're trying to put a smart peg in a stupid hole.

I own Ruger LC9S, for one reason. If I'm going somewhere that I know I have to go through a metal detector or get wanded and have to leave the gun in the car, I carry the Ruger because I don't give a shit if somebody steals it. Ruger is the absolute lowest quality firearm I'll own. Sure, it's light. But it has a tiny magazine and a middling at best trigger. I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH HOW IMPORTANT A GOOD TRIGGER IS ON A HANDGUN. I do trust it to go bang when I pull the trigger. That's about the only thing I like about it.

But again, the Sig P365XL (or X) isn't that much bigger or heavier, and is an exponentially better gun.

I agree 100%. This is the same reason I own my s&w 642. It is my truck gun that I am not afraid to leave in the car. I know it will go bang when I pull the trigger.

But some people that extra size makes a huge difference. A gun is useless if the person doesn't carry it. I have had this same discussion with my sister, wife, and dad. If it is over a certain size they just refuse to carry it.

[seclark]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke! In Raytown his job was to dispose of enemy dogs. To deliver mail! Period! Win by attrition. Well, Clay was the best.

I don’t.
Stick with the ground glass meatball.
Add some steak sauce, and run home.
That way you don’t shoot your dog or yourself.
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[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by seclark

I don’t.
Stick with the ground glass meatball.
Add some steak sauce, and run home.
That way you don’t shoot your dog or yourself.
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[seclark]

You have a great dog.
Protect your family.
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