Rasslin is YES! YES! YES!

[Reaper16]

Last thread has well over 10,000 replies. Its body is breaking down like The Undertaker's. Seeing as we might have crossed the threshold into a new era in the business, here's a fresh new thread.

[Hootie]

no, they teased a Rock feud with the authority though!

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

no, they teased a Rock feud with the authority though!

It wouldn't surprise me if Vince panics and throws obscene money at Rock to do a match at Wrestlemania.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Sting and HHH at WM31

You know they're going to do that....HHH has to always been in the spotlight...and everyone will be really pissed off.

It has zero to do with that. Sting wants the match with HHH. HHH doesn't want to wrestle any more. He doesn't even want to do TV. He needs to continue focusing on NXT and developing the next wave. Orton is just about done, Cena is almost 40, they really need to develop the roster around Reigns, Ambrose, Rollins. But see, that's the problem. The talent after them is really lacking.

[TimBone]

Originally Posted by Mav

It has zero to do with that. Sting wants the match with HHH. HHH doesn't want to wrestle any more. He doesn't even want to do TV. He needs to continue focusing on NXT and developing the next wave. Orton is just about done, Cena is almost 40, they really need to develop the roster around Reigns, Ambrose, Rollins. But see, that's the problem. The talent after them is really lacking.

Bullshit. Tons of talent. Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, Bray Wyatt, Luke Harper, Kofi Kingston, Sheamus, and lots more are full of talent. The problem is they never bothered developing half of those guys. They used them as jobbers and door mats to continue pushing the Cenas, Ortons, and HHH's. Piss poor planning by the WWE.

Cena should have been putting over Wyatt in their feud. Instead, they made Wyatt look weak and let Cena clown the whole family by himself at every PPV.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by TimBone

Cena should have been putting over Wyatt in their feud. Instead, they made Wyatt look weak and let Cena clown the whole family by himself at every PPV.

Then Wyatt went on to basically squash Ambrose in their feud and made him look like hot garbage.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by TimBone

Bullshit. Tons of talent. Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, Bray Wyatt, Luke Harper, Kofi Kingston, Sheamus, and lots more are full of talent. The problem is they never bothered developing half of those guys. They used them as jobbers and door mats to continue pushing the Cenas, Ortons, and HHH's. Piss poor planning by the WWE.

Cena should have been putting over Wyatt in their feud. Instead, they made Wyatt look weak and let Cena clown the whole family by himself at every PPV.

Sheamus has serious limitations. Average in ring ability, poor Mic skills. Luke Harper? Zero mic skills. Kofi Kingston is used purely for his athletic ability. I think you are missing my point. I did forget Bray Wyatt, so you win that one. But as far as depth goes, even rusev who is phenomenal in the ring will never be top shelf because he can't communicate.

And they pushed Daniel Bryan, and hey, I'm a Bryan guy. But as they feared, his body failed him. Dolph as well. He is his own worst enemy. Probably the best in ring performer since HBK. But he sells too well.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Swanman

It wouldn't surprise me if Vince panics and throws obscene money at Rock to do a match at Wrestlemania.

Wouldn't be a horrible idea, but against who?

I mean their wrestlemania card is so thin now, that they are having to force Daniel Bryan Sheamus just to fill the card.

This is shaping up to be a pretty lousy wrestlemania. Lesnar Reigns is looking lousy. The only match I'm truly excited for is sting hhh. My two faves of all time.

[Hootie]

Dolph is amazing

[keg in kc]

The problem isn't the performers, the problem is Vince still married to the idea that only big guys are worth putting over, which is why no talent turds like ryback are given long pushes that never pan out, and his weird infatuation with giving his best workers long losing streaks. Which is I think an attempt to kill their popularity. Which really kills those guys when he finally gives in to public pressure and puts them on top.

And the fascination with entertainment over wrestling. That's why Brock is so over. Heyman cuts the best promos, which are all about how Brock is going to beat a guy, and then Brock goes out and kills them in a violently believable way. There's no cartoony shit, there's no weirdness, it's just one guy beating another. It would not have been hard to set up Danielson like that, albeit in a different way because of his size. They did it with Chris Benoit for years. Make him the best technical wrestler in the company, give him a long winning streak, don't tear him down on the Mic for years, and you don't need a gimmick beard or yes chants.

But belts don't matter, skills don't matter, mic work barely even matters because it's all scripted. All that matters is being 6'4 with a physique. Vince is in love with bodybuilders.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

The problem isn't the performers, the problem is Vince still married to the idea that only big guys are worth putting over, which is why no talent turds like ryback are given long pushes that never pan out, and his weird infatuation with giving his best workers long losing streaks. Which is I think an attempt to kill their popularity. Which really kills those guys when he finally gives in to public pressure and puts them on top.

And the fascination with entertainment over wrestling. That's why Brock is so over. Heyman cuts the best promos, which are all about how Brock is going to beat a guy, and then Brock goes out and kills them in a violently believable way. There's no cartoony shit, there's no weirdness, it's just one guy beating another. It would not have been hard to set up Danielson like that, albeit in a different way because of his size. They did it with Chris Benoit for years. Make him the best technical wrestler in the company, give him a long winning streak, don't tear him down on the Mic for years, and you don't need a gimmick beard or yes chants.

But belts don't matter, skills don't matter, mic work barely even matters because it's all scripted. All that matters is being 6'4 with a physique. Vince is in love with bodybuilders.

If you look at how Bryan was booked in ROH, that's how it could have worked. He was a technical badass that had about 100 different finishers that he could pull out of nowhere on you. But in WWE-land every "superstar" needs to be a video game character with 1 signature move and 1 finisher.

[58kcfan89]

I'd also like to point out that Wrestlemania will be Reigns' first PPV main event. And his 2nd (SECOND!!) one-on-one PPV match. Ever.

Not only is he awful at everything (except looking like a shampoo salesman), he's in a spot that A) he did nothing to earn and B) he's never even approached before.

I'm curious as to what happens to the guy long-term. If he beats Lesnar (that hurts to type) and the crowd shits all over it, can he ever recover from it? Far be it from me to defend Cena, but he's at least shown the ability to roll with the punches of a crowd (and put on some watchable matches in the process). Reigns looked like a freaking deer in the headlights, pointing to the Mania sign like a dumbass while the whole place was booing his ass on Sunday.

Ugh. I thought about cancelling my subscription to the Network after Sunday. Decided not to because I want to see Mania. But if that show ends without a big change to the main event (or at least Rollins coming out to ruin the whole damn thing), I don't know how much longer I'll be subscribing.

[keg in kc]

So they're doing the same thing as last year, beating Bryan badly in the Rumble for whatever stupid reason, then putting him right back in the main event picture for mania?

[58kcfan89]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

So they're doing the same thing as last year, beating Bryan badly in the Rumble for whatever stupid reason, then putting him right back in the main event picture for mania?

I have my doubts that they actually will. I think this is their way of trolling the fans. They can say "Well, we gave him 2 shots to be in the main event & he couldn't win either time." Or "Look, Reigns earned it! He won the Rumble AND beat Bryan!"

It's stupid. But unless every crowd pulls a Philly & is boourns'ing Reigns out of the building between now & then, I think Reigns-Lesnar is a go. I sincerely hope I'm wrong, though.

If they do go with Reigns-Lesnar, Rollins needs to ruin the whole thing. Cash in the MITB as confetti meant for another guy rains (no pun intended) down. Then again, they might cheer him for that...

[BigCatDaddy]

No way they put Reigns in the WM main event right now.

[keg in kc]

Is mania Brock's last date? I could actually see them putting Bryan over if that's the case.

If he beats Reigns and then starts tapping people, that's where they're headed. And I think that could be a fantastic match. Better than Brock and Reigns.