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[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

Lets see the Donc trolls defend this one.

Karma for the Tyreek Hill finger-wagging around here from some of them.

What aspect of this would you like us to defend? I'll give it a shot just to help you out.

[Quesadilla Joe]

The White House visit is today

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[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Really? That's just a gaggle of guys, similar to the gaggle of guys that Denver has after Thomas and Sanders. Fowler and Norwood are statistically equal to those guys you listed, so I guess shit is shit.

Fowler and Norwood are statistically equal to Streater? They're not even statistically equal to Wilson.

Also, Conley and Wilson have much more talent and upside than those guys. Robinson also.

[Quesadilla Joe]

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[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Fowler and Norwood are statistically equal to Streater? They're not even statistically equal to Wilson.

Also, Conley and Wilson have much more talent and upside than those guys. Robinson also.

Yeah, I suppose if you have Streater from 2012-2013, he's done nothing the last two years. He missed 2014 with a fractured foot and did nothing last year, and I don't know if he was able to play or not. But, if he's 'all that' and couldn't find a way to crack the lineup in Oak for 2015... yeah, I'd say the first two years of his 4 year career don't matter much.

And, you can debate 'talent and upside' all day long with the other guys.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Yeah, I suppose if you have Streater from 2012-2013, he's done nothing the last two years. He missed 2014 with a fractured foot and did nothing last year, and I don't know if he was able to play or not. But, if he's 'all that' and couldn't find a way to crack the lineup in Oak for 2015... yeah, I'd say the first two years of his 4 year career don't matter much.

And, you can debate 'talent and upside' all day long with the other guys.

Wilson had more yards than those guys combined in 2015 as a second year UDFA. Conley is an athletic freak and had just as many yards as a rookie.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Really? That's just a gaggle of guys, similar to the gaggle of guys that Denver has after Thomas and Sanders. Fowler and Norwood are statistically equal to those guys you listed, so I guess shit is shit.

Thomas makes Denver's starting 2 better since we don't have a clear #2 at this point. Basically both teams 3-5 are all ?'s though.

if you could add 3 players from the Chiefs to your team this year who would it be? As a KC fan, I'd imagine I'd want Sanders, Von and Harris.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Thomas makes Denver's starting 2 better since we don't have a clear #2 at this point. Basically both teams 3-5 are all ?'s though.

if you could add 3 players from the Chiefs to your team this year who would it be? As a KC fan, I'd imagine I'd want Sanders, Von and Harris.

Those would probably be my 3 as well.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Wilson had more yards than those guys combined in 2015 as a second year UDFA. Conley is an athletic freak and had just as many yards as a rookie.

That's fine. And, in Denver in 2015 ... the top 3 receiving options (Thomas, Sanders, Daniels) were targeted 390 times for 227 receptions. Those 3 with the RBs getting their targets, and the options were slimmer for the other guys.

The Chiefs top 3 receiving options (Maclin, Kelsey, Wilson) were targeted 284 times (104 fewer times than Denver's top 3) for 194 receptions. Wilson was a top 3 option in KC last season, the others were playing behind better talent in Denver, so comparing them stat for stat is odd, but feel free.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

That's fine. And, in Denver in 2015 ... the top 3 receiving options (Thomas, Sanders, Daniels) were targeted 390 times for 227 receptions. Those 3 with the RBs getting their targets, and the options were slimmer for the other guys.

The Chiefs top 3 receiving options (Maclin, Kelsey, Wilson) were targeted 284 times (104 fewer times than Denver's top 3) for 194 receptions. Maclin was a top 3 option in KC last season, the others were playing behind better talent in Denver, so comparing them stat for stat is odd, but feel free.

You were the one that brought up production/stats, not me. I was basing it on athleticism, potential, and skill set.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You were the one that brought up production/stats, not me. I was basic it on athleticism and skill set.

Umm, sure... debating depth players is always fun. Albert Wilson isn't all that much different than the others, he had more opportunities last year and good for him. Denver had better starters, so the younger guys didn't have as many opportunities, and that was good for them.

The item in bold, it's all pure fodder at this point - you hope your backup players are better than our backup players, naturally.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Umm, sure... debating depth players is always fun. Albert Wilson isn't all that much different than the others, he had more opportunities last year and good for him. Denver had better starters, so the younger guys didn't have as many opportunities, and that was good for them.

The item in bold, it's all pure fodder at this point - you hope your backup players are better than our backup players, naturally.

You're right, the argument is futile, though I know I'm right.

My initial point still stands though. Outside of the WR group, the Chiefs have a better offense.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You're right, the argument is futile, though I know I'm right.

My initial point still stands though, outside of the WR group, the Chiefs have a better offense.

Possibly, we'll see how it all plays out. Last year, Denver's RB duo outgained KC's top 3 RBs... Charles is getting older, if healthy, he's a beast and tips the scales in your favor.

TE, obviously Kelsey outranks anything Denver has right now at TE.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Possibly, we'll see how it all plays out. Last year, Denver's RB duo outgained KC's top 3 RBs... Charles is getting older, if healthy, he's a beast and tips the scales in your favor.

TE, obviously Kelsey outranks anything Denver has right now at TE.

Our RB's are much better than yours. Spencer Ware is better than Anderson.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

The White House visit is today

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Looks just like the rest of the D.C. area.