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Old 03-22-2024, 08:53 PM  
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Old 03-23-2024, 11:26 AM   #541
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From the Chiefs perspective:

They believe they already drafted his replacement and he can step in and take sneed’s place while also giving team capable of getting plenty of safety help with money they save.

$55 million guaranteed is $10.5 million more than the next highest guaranteed amount for a CB in NFL history. From day one he let chiefs know he wouldn’t be giving any hometown or superbowl discounts.

He wanted as much as he could get, and for a 27-year-old player with medical question marks who has never made a Pro Bowl or All-Pro team in his career, that price was more than they were willing to spend.

Wish they could have gotten more, but better to get something instead of nothing.

If they couldn’t get deal done, dealing with Bolton, Humphrey, and Trey Smith and his contract would be too much. Just like with Jones and Sneed, Veach probably already knows who he has to get done, and who he has to tag. At least they got something, next year would be worse and walked away with nothing
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Old 03-23-2024, 11:30 AM   #542
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Jalen Ramsey had a career year statistically in 2022. Career highs in tackles, FF’s, INT’s, passes defended and sacks.

He only netted the Rams a 3rd.

The trade was fair market value.
It’s not comparable. The Rams were aggressively trying to get rid of salary and retool their roster and had no leverage or expectation that they’d be super competitive. The Chiefs had the ability to keep Sneed on the tag.

My point is not what we ended up getting for him. I don’t dispute that’s fair market value because that’s what we ultimately ended up with. I just think it’s probably going to be a loss versus how things would’ve played out had we kept him and moved money forward elsewhere.

No one can seriously feel good about what we got in return here, could they? We’re trying to justify it by pointing out that this allows Veach to move up in the draft more easily? The value of this pick allows us to potentially move up from 32 to 28. That doesn’t sound wonderful or exciting, even if that’s the reality.

I’m not mad or upset because I trust Veach. I just think it’s a very bleh end result here but I’ll fully judge it after seeing the rest of the offseason.
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Old 03-23-2024, 11:34 AM   #543
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Would have been better to get this trade done on March 12th to have the $20 million cap space available to use at the start of free agency…

WTF? How does "2025 3rd and 2024 7th round swap" equate to "always fine with keeping Sneed"?

We chewed our arm off to get out of paying him $20M this year.
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Old 03-23-2024, 11:36 AM   #544
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This probably could be a separate thread, but the OT FA market is pretty thin right now. Outside of using the Sneed savings to re-sign Donavan Smith, is there any OT they could trade for that perhaps that money is earmarked for?
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Old 03-23-2024, 11:36 AM   #545
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CB are NOT as valued as they once were....IMO, and obviously Veach feels the same way. The day of OVERPAYING for a "shut down" corner are DONE if you are a smart team, the rules have changed and the NEW game is putting pressure on the qb and sacking the qb. The Chiefs choose to pay Chris Jones and NOT overpay for sneed. I liked Sneed, but in today's NFL/rules, shut down corner is really not a thing.
You make an interesting point. Disguising blitzes and sneaky bracket coverages is what Spags does so well. I will admit Sneed recieved a lot of scheme help from Spags but he was also a really good player. Him shutting down all those great recievers is slightly inflated.

All in all a third round pick is sad. Maybe his knee was worse than what was reported, IDK.
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Old 03-23-2024, 11:36 AM   #546
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It’s not comparable. The Rams were aggressively trying to get rid of salary and retool their roster and had no leverage or expectation that they’d be super competitive. The Chiefs had the ability to keep Sneed on the tag.
Its actually very. comparable. We fit the franchise tag in the current cap, sure, but long term it wasn't going to work. Plus, there are still holes to fill in free agency, this team has nobody at backup QB or LT. Its time to stop dreaming of draft picks and deal with the reality of the situation of the cap (which isn't a year to year thing) and current roster needs.
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Old 03-23-2024, 11:36 AM   #547
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CB are NOT as valued as they once were....IMO, and obviously Veach feels the same way. The day of OVERPAYING for a "shut down" corner are DONE if you are a smart team, the rules have changed and the NEW game is putting pressure on the qb and sacking the qb. The Chiefs choose to pay Chris Jones and NOT overpay for sneed. I liked Sneed, but in today's NFL/rules, shut down corner is really not a thing.

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Old 03-23-2024, 11:37 AM   #548
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I couldn't disagree more. Veech had no leverage unless he was willing to play Sneed on the tag and that only works if they rework a bunch of other guys to get more cap room to address other needs.

It would have set off a domino effect.
just last season tying up that cap room on Jones tag handcuffed us. Maybe Veach didn’t want to repeat that?
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Old 03-23-2024, 11:40 AM   #549
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Its actually very. comparable. We fit the franchise tag in the current cap, sure, but long term it wasn't going to work. Plus, there are still holes to fill in free agency, this team has nobody at backup QB or LT. Its time to stop dreaming of draft picks and deal with the reality of the situation of the cap (which isn't a year to year thing) and current roster needs.
No, it’s not. Teams move money around to make stuff like this work all the time. Long term it could absolutely work. We decided to go in a different direction. That’s fine.

When the Rams were trading Ramsey, they were forced to accept market value because the alternative of having him on their roster that year yielded little benefit. That’s not remotely the case in our situation. Hence, not comparable.
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This probably could be a separate thread, but the OT FA market is pretty thin right now. Outside of using the Sneed savings to re-sign Donavan Smith, is there any OT they could trade for that perhaps that money is earmarked for?

Doubtful they would move him, but maaaaayyyyybe there is a slim to none chance the Vikings would be willing to move Darrisaw given that he’s due $16M in 2025 on a club option and probably requires an extension before he even considers playing on that anyway.

Teams don’t give away stud LT like him, but he’s the only one I can think of that even sort of fits your description.


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No, it’s not. Teams move money around to make stuff like this work all the time. Long term it could absolutely work. We decided to go in a different direction. That’s fine.

When the Rams were trading Ramsey, they were forced to accept market value because the alternative of having him on their roster that year yielded little benefit. That’s not remotely the case in our situation. Hence, not comparable.
Sneed was not ever part of their long term plans, I don't know how anyone could not understand this. So what that means is they had to accept market value and get what they could.

Fans have been fooled into this idea the only reason you tag players is to get a 1st round pick or some other large haul. In this case it was simply to get something in return because they knew Sneed wasn't going to be a Chief next year and other teams knew it too.

Playing him on the tag and letting him walk next year would have netted KC nothing of real value either.

Would you have traded a 3rd round pick and $19.8MM for 1 year of Sneed knowing what we have in the DB room already?
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Why do I feel like the Titans made out like bandits?
They did. They have a great player who will help them compete. They had the money to do it.

Meanwhile we're stuck with knowing we drafted a player in the 4th round, he was awesome/elite for us for four years and important to delivering 2 championships, then when we couldn't afford to pay him market value he gave us a 3rd round pick on his way out the door. Poor us.
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