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Old 08-12-2014, 04:26 PM  
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Old 11-21-2022, 03:48 PM   #54541
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I don’t care either way, I have no loyalty to Paton. As far as I can tell, he’s been a figurehead that’s really only had drafting responsibilities, so it’s hard for me to blame him entirely for the state of the team.
Why wouldn't elway et al. be responsible for that as well?
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Baseless? I’ve repeated the same thing about Fangio staying on as HC in 2021 several times. What GM do you know of who gets overruled on his HC choice?
So he was overruled then, and overruled over the hire this offseason too?

Why would anybody sign up for that? Get stuck with 2 HCs in a row that you didn't want?

Didn't Paton come out and express 100% support for Hackett recently?

So it's all a lie and he secretly never wanted Hackett?

It's horseshit.

It might've been a team effort, but he absolutely co-signed it at the very least. He wanted Hackett. He wanted Rodgers. He pivoted to Russ. It couldn't be more obvious.
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Old 11-21-2022, 03:54 PM   #54543
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Why wouldn't elway et al. be responsible for that as well?
Possible, but Paton was a scout and our drafting improved once he was hired.
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So he was overruled then, and overruled over the hire this offseason too?

Why would anybody sign up for that? Get stuck with 2 HCs in a row that you didn't want?

Didn't Paton come out and express 100% support for Hackett recently?

So it's all a lie and he secretly never wanted Hackett?

It's horseshit.

It might've been a team effort, but he absolutely co-signed it at the very least. He wanted Hackett. He wanted Rodgers. He pivoted to Russ. It couldn't be more obvious.
Obviously he signed off on the hiring and trade, I just doubt the decision was truly his. If it was, he needs to go. If it wasn’t, I’m ok with him staying.

Probably doesn’t matter, he’s likely gone either way.
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The majority of NFL teams hire a general manager, who is then tasked with hiring a head coach. This was how things were handled when John Elway previously oversaw team operations for the Broncos.

When Paton was first hired, he didn't get to hire his head coach at first. Vic Fangio entered the third year of his contract, and it wasn't until the 2021 season ended that Paton fired him.
While the Broncos could have let Paton hire his own head coach following the 2020 season, there may be a couple of reasons why that didn't happen.

Bear in mind that Vance Joseph had been fired after completing two seasons of his four-year coaching contract, and the Broncos had just finished paying off what they owed Joseph (though there were offsets because Joseph became the Arizona Cardinals' defensive coordinator).

That, plus the fact the 2020 NFL season had no in-person attendance during the COVID-19 pandemic, and the fact the Broncos ownership situation remained unresolved, likely meant that the Broncos would stick with Fangio for at least one more season.

Thus, Hackett counts as Paton's first coaching hire. And while the results haven't been good overall in the first half of the 2022 season, that by itself doesn't tell the tale of Paton when it comes to head coaching hires.
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The only coach you’re going to get for a team that’s screwed in the short (medium?) term, doesn’t have much in draft picks, and seems to have a poor FO situation to boot is a Texans caliber HC. Someone who either won’t get an opportunity elsewhere or is a has-been looking for a payday on the way out who you’re hoping can just pull the team back toward respectability.

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Neat. Again, I don’t really care about Paton, I’m just calling it like I see it.

I’d fire Paton into the sun if it meant we could keep Evero.
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I was listening to the NFL podcast from The Athletic and they mentioned that yesterday, Denver got a sack on Carr and during the play, there was an offensive penalty against the Raiders. Hacket ACCEPTED the penalty.

That just cannot be true. I mean, I don't think the podcasters are lying and I think it happened but its one of those things that you hear and you just cannot believe it.
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All I will say is that Wilson was the guy that I hoped they targeted months ago... my ideal option was Watson, but he's damn near untouchable. So, if they were going to give up a bounty, Wilson was my hope.

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I don’t know if they had Rodgers or Wilson as their #1 target, but I’m very happy with the results.

I had assumed Wilson would have cost significantly more than he did.

I’m loving the results.
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