Chiefs PFF: Poor game from Fisher - Page 36

Hammock Parties · 08-18-2013, 03:49 PM

Yup. Very poor game.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...reseason-wk-2/

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I’m not in the business of making excuses for someone, but how bad is the hand of Eric Fisher (-4.5)? I ask because his performance was of such a level and he seemed to be favoring his hand so often, that the question had to be asked: are the Chiefs doing the right thing getting him game time as opposed to letting him heal?

He had to leave the field after Will Tukuafu got the better of him with 4:05 to go in the first and yet he would return to finish out the first half. That wasn’t the only time he struggled as Ray McDonald was too powerful for him at the point of attack on the opening drive, having no problem working on his inside shoulder and getting off his blocking attempts.

In pass protection, Parys Haralson (hurry and sack), Corey Lemonier (hurry) and Ahmad Brooks (hurry with an assist from some hands to the face) all got past him, while he failed on two occasions to execute cut blocks on stretch runs.

More is expected of the first overall pick.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-21-2013, 12:08 AM

I've talked about this a few times in other threads.

The reason Chiefs' fans didn't care about the 2010 Chiefs is because of Pioli's reeruned media blackout. The team was impossible to like. Charismatic guys like Bowe were forced to give canned answers to the media. That may not matter to you, but it matters to the true fans. And Alex Smith is going to be a popular player among true fans.

I can guarantee you that with the media blitz they've pulled, if this team wins games, Arrowhead will be back. I hope we don't fall into the same dumb trap of settling for happy fans but medium team. But it will be good to get some excitement at Arrowhead again.

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Did you see the Ravens game in 2010? We couldn't even ****ing fill Arrowhead for a goddamn playoff game.

Arrowhead is probably permanently deflated, and I think it has to do with the fact that there aren't enough people in KC rich enough to blow that much money on attending a game in an era when you can watch that shit nearly ANYWHERE. You don't even need cable TV to do it.

I'm not from Kansas City. I haven't been to a game in Arrowhead since 2003. Clark Hunt may worry about filling the stadium, but what REALLY matters is growing out your product.

People become fans of teams when they have STARS. That's how the Packers are able to make it in tiny ass Green Bay, WI. They have stars. They invest in those stars. And when their stars get old, they go out and get MORE stars.

Alex Smith is not a star. He's an insult. And that's why nobody will ever give a shit about the Chiefs, which DRAMATICALLY affects the dollars and cents.

Sorter · 08-21-2013, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because you base way too much of your opinion on meaningless preseason games.

I was not impressed with Alex Smith either. But he is clearly a bubble playoff QB who is a longshot to do anything big in the playoffs.

I don't think preseason games are meaningless.

aturnis · 08-21-2013, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Alberts a fifth year vet that couldn't hand off a de on a basic cb blitz from a trips set.

Again, Albert is a good player but he needs a lot of work still

I've said this 100 times already. The blitz pickups are on the coaches. Period. I don't believe I saw a single one picked up that night and the 9ers blitzed all night.

Also, have you guys never heard vet Olinemen talk about why they don't like the preseason? It's b/c the majority of vets in the trenches have an understanding that they aren't going fill speed. Then you always have young guys coming in trying to price something, and that's when guys get hurt.

I'm much less worried about Albert b/c I'm not altogether sure he was playing to his usual standard. I am though worried about this lines lack of knowledge passed down by the coaches of the blocking scheme. Especially with Allen, Fisher and Hudson. These guys have less experience, and the two vets probably don't know if they can even trust then enough TO hand of blockers to them. Then there is Fisher's lack of ability. At times his footwork looks labored, and his leverage socks. I hope to hell that it is his hand.

Sorter · 08-21-2013, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

I've said this 100 times already. The blitz pickups are on the coaches. Period. I don't believe I saw a single one picked up that night and the 9ers blitzed all night.

Also, have you guys never heard vet Olinemen talk about why they don't like the preseason? It's b/c the majority of vets in the trenches have an understanding that they aren't going fill speed. Then you always have young guys coming in trying to price something, and that's when guys get hurt.

I'm much less worried about Albert b/c I'm not altogether sure he was playing to his usual standard. I am though worried about this lines lack of knowledge passed down by the coaches of the blocking scheme. Especially with Allen, Fisher and Hudson. These guys have less experience, and the two vets probably don't know if they can even trust then enough TO hand of blockers to them. Then there is Fisher's lack of ability. At times his footwork looks labored, and his leverage socks. I hope to hell that it is his hand.

From what I remember, the 49ers never sent more than 5. Typically, your protection philosophies/principles will be designed with 5 in mind. So, for me, it's hard to really pin blame on someone yet despite my own suspicions.

aturnis · 08-21-2013, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock

It looks like Fisher's feet are all ****ed up when he moves to block. He's quick stepping and allowing the rushers to blow by him. His struggles look to have nothing to do with his injured hand.

No. In that GIF, if you watch closely, he for some reason thinks he needs to help Asamoah. The quick step was him stopping and putting his left arm out to help. Then before he can recover to block his own man, he realizes "I'm a fixing idiot and just let myself get beat outside".

Hammock Parties · 08-21-2013, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

No. In that GIF, if you watch closely, he for some reason thinks he needs to help Asamoah. The quick step was him stopping and putting his left arm out to help. Then before he can recover to block his own man, he realizes "I'm a fixing idiot and just let myself get beat outside".

Yep, this is exactly what it looks like to me. His brain's all ****ed up.

The thing that bothers me about that is he lacks the athletic ability to make up for it against a pretty average pass rusher.

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aturnis · 08-21-2013, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I wanted Geno Smith as much as absolutely anyone, but injury-prone turnstile is just horrible hyperbole. Always one step too far with you.

He's already had at last three injuries and we've seen what he can do on the field.

aturnis · 08-21-2013, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

That's reeruned.

We haven't even talked about his fail in the run game.

aturnis · 08-21-2013, 02:34 AM

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No, if he sucks this bad for the whole preseason then we have a serious problem. I'm hoping this is just an injury. But even then, we have to hope the injury heals.

He cannot continue to play this badly and us have a hope of making the playoffs.

I'm not exactly optimistic about him, but I'm hoping it was just the whole offensive line not being prepared for a beastly defense.

I honestly think his hand might require surgery. Maybe it's just a insignificant one like Donald Stephenson had and they play him this week, gets the procedure done, misses the 4th preseason game and stats week one a new man. Who knows.

I don't feel good watching him favor it, hurt it in the game, then go spend time with an ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON on the sideline, and not come back in.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-21-2013, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs(exceptQB)

We sure ****ing are, and right now no one in the universe can convince me that taking this injury-prone turnstile was a better idea than rolling the dice on a gold-toof dawg.

And there it is.

Funny that fisher is injury prone. I guess geno smith and Mingo just had freak injuries.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-21-2013, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

No. In that GIF, if you watch closely, he for some reason thinks he needs to help Asamoah. The quick step was him stopping and putting his left arm out to help. Then before he can recover to block his own man, he realizes "I'm a fixing idiot and just let myself get beat outside".

The quick stepwas to avoid contact with knife Davis, who is sprinting between them. In all the clips, he doesn't use his right arm. It really looks to me like he's favoring it. His inability to block guys isn't an athletic problem. It's that he's not getting a good punch in.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-21-2013, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

I don't think preseason games are meaningless.

I am talking about the amount people are freaking out over these games. EEspecially in a new system and a training camp that, in my opinion, was way too short. We know what we have in Alex smith and game 2 isnt it. In the regular season, we will have more gadgetry and smith will be much better than critics like clay want him to be, but much worse than true fans want him to be.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-21-2013, 08:37 AM

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He's already had at last three injuries and we've seen what he can do on the field.

His had one injury that is turning into multiple. It seems to me he hurt his hand, and he injured his shoulder trying to overcompensate. To my knowledge, he played most of his college career mostly injury free. He's not injury prone just because he's getting dinged up in one preseason.

saphojunkie · 08-21-2013, 10:35 AM

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He's already had at last three injuries and we've seen what he can do on the field.

He had no history of injury in college.

I'm not saying there isn't cause for concern here, but come on, people. Your reaction should never be larger than the sample size.

saphojunkie · 08-21-2013, 10:37 AM

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And there it is.

Funny that fisher is injury prone. I guess geno smith and Mingo just had freak injuries.

If we had drafted Geno first overall and he had the same injury as well as throwing multiple dreadful INTs in practice, I'd be on full protection duty against the truefans trying to tell me he's injury prone and a bust and we should have never taken a second round talent first overall when we already had a starting QB on the roster.