*****The Josh Simmons Thread*****

[Dante84]

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— Patrick Mahomes II (@PatrickMahomes) April 25, 2025

Several teams agree: Josh Simmons had best tape of any OT last year. And they aren't very concerned with recovery on the torn patella tendon. More of the concern is maturity/character. But he's going to the ideal, veteran-laden place.

— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) April 25, 2025

the #chiefs get LT Josh Simmons out of Ohio State. If Simmons didn't suffer a torn patellar tendon he would have been the first tackle off the board. I had one team tell me he was the most athletic and talented tackle tape they watched. There are some maturity issues, but this…

— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs have selected #OSU OT Josh Simmons at No. 32, a player recovering nicely from a torn patellar tendon. They are comfortable with his rehab and did endless homework on it. https://t.co/awdb0JhPed

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs are selecting Ohio State LT Josh Simmons at No. 32 to close out Round 1.

A key addition to bolster the offensive line in front of Patrick Mahomes. pic.twitter.com/oBx2CjzmCe

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) April 25, 2025

[ChiefsCountry]

Between his knee and his biggest cheerleaders are the mouth breathers of CP, is enough pause for concern.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

You should start a thread about it!

(And you said the same thing a couple years ago and here you are again... You know you love it.)

A couple of years ago, I said I was leaving for good. I'm not saying I'm leaving here now.

What's frustrating is that if you put in the time to find and share information and content here anymore, nobody really looks at it. If you formulate an opinion based on that information, you'll only be ridiculed, chastised, and rejected if it goes against what the Chiefs do.

It's kind of sad that the fanbase has become a "succumb to what Veach does" group that never questions anything for any reason. It wasn't that way when Carl was around. Hell, it wasn't that way when Dorsey was here, and he's the one who built the true core of this team. Hey, I love Veach. I hope he continuously rebuilds the core of this team that John Dorsey handed to him and keeps it this competitive for a long, long time. But does that mean I'm required to like all of his decisions, despite proof that some of those have been downright awful? One can't be vocal against Veach and get along here, so it really becomes a choice against wanting to put in any effort related to having an opposing opinion.

As for the content, it really does take a significant amount of time to put out a lot of content, even if it's not great content. And, I'm not even doing anything special. There are plenty of resources out there to gain information from that are as good or better than anything I have time to put out. It just might not be so easily accessible. I'm not accomplished enough nor do I have the substantial time to put shit up behind a paywall, like some have suggested, and have a following. I'm not about to do a podcast. I have 6 kids in my house, how good would that work out? Those guys that do them have far less credibility than the best posters here, and yet they get respected and their opinions are admired even when they cut against the grain. Why put in that time for no gain only to have it shit on routinely? Doesn't make much sense, does it?

If Matt from KCSN said it or whoever on Twitter said it or dickwad on his podcast said it, it'd be gold. If DJ, duncan, or Crow say it, they don't know shit, can't read studies, etc. ****, I have an undergrad dual major in Mathematics and Physical Education (which is about 60% PT coursework BTW) and I don't know statistics or how to read a study or anything about the human body. It's like **** right off.

Who knows, it might be best to just start spending a little more time with my kids and my fiancé in the winter and spring instead of drafturbating and reading medical studies on sports injuries and the like.

I can still pop on and spew bullshit about my next meal at Taco Bell or something, bitch about what happened in the Week 9 loss, or whatever. I just don't think I really want to put in the effort, and that might be a good thing.

I really do hope the pick works out. It would be quite the coup.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This is ultimately where I have to get to - the team has blown a couple first round picks in the last 5 years and it's been fine.

But every time they do they get just a little closer to the pack. To where a few weeks of scattershot play cost them a bye or HFA and now they have to work just a little harder to get to where they want to be.

And as HoF throughput like Jones and Kelce age out while the home run 2022 draft class gets more expensive, they get closer and closer to being ordinary + Pat Mahomes.

Which is still a damn nice place to be. But it makes your margins week to week and season that much tighter.

At what point are we going to actually fix LT?

The offense has cratered the last 2 years mostly bc of LT. They’ve had 7 of these guys start at LT since Fisher ruptured his Achilles, including a LG.

How many games have we seen the last 2 years where Mahomes is getting his ass kicked bc the LT is getting destroyed?

I’d say about 20% of the games were ruined on offense bc of that. Broncos, Raiders at Arrowhead both times, Chargers both times, Eagles and Texans playoff games. All games where Mahomes was pressured so much we couldn’t run anything. Half of the playbook was thrown out at least.

I’d say about 70% of the other games were checkdowns, short passes and horizontal passes. People blame Nagy for this all they want, but it’s because of the LT. They’ve had zero trust in Wanya to hold up. None.

Our generational QB went from a fun gunslinger to Alex ****ing Smith because of the OL destroying everything.

Listen man. I don’t like the pick based upon injury, but I completely understand the risk. This shit has to end. It’s affecting Mahomes and the offense too damn much. There is not a better LT prospect this team could get than this kid. It’s not even close.

Missing on this pick is not gonna ruin the team. They gave up no assets to get him. In fact, they got a 5th moving back to get him.

We’ve got 3 picks in the meat of this draft to improve the team. Everybody knows day 2 was going to be the best time to improve this football team. We’ve known that for 2 months.

[Warpaint69]

This was probably one of the few ways the Chiefs were going to acquire a franchise caliber prospect at LT.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

One thing I find interesting is how literally all of the Chiefs Twitter/media guys love this pick. Whether it's Swanson, Lane, Harms, etc. they all pounded the table for Simmons.

Also remember the complaint we've had about Draft Grades for years, though.

They love the picks when they're right.

Draft Grades are nothing more than "How close to MY board were you..."

Gets back to McDuffie getting a C grade because draft twitter thought we'd take Johnson and decided Spags doesn't like smaller corners. It's an exercise in confirmation bias.

And about half of Chiefs Twitter had the nature of his injury wrong. I mean I haven't expected Locked On to get anything right for years - they didn't. Nate Taylor had it COMPLETELY wrong until bout 2-3 weeks ago. But by then, their minds had been made up.

And then it became their exercise in confirmation bias.

So yeah - if they're going to blow by the only concern that those of us opposed to the pick had because they didn't understand WHY we were opposed to the pick...um...okay.

But I think ultimately Reid might have made the point that A) explains why so many draft folks were on this and B) why I'm no less nervous.

“It was (an area) that we thought we’d spend a first-round pick on and that it’d be worth it to also look at it in free agency,” Reid said when asked about the Chiefs’ post-Super Bowl assessment of the position.

They went into the draft with a focus on a single position group in the first round. And nobody expected Campbell, Banks or Membou to fall. Nor were were guys like Ersery first round possibilities (and by all accounts, Jackson is a guard).

So that really did leave them with Conerly and Simmons. So yeah, I suspect they did a shitload of homework on BOTH those guys.

But I do think this is where they've gotten themselves in the most trouble. They did it with Speaks. They did it with Moore. They did it with FAU. Granted, I don't think that's what happened with MEH and that still didn't work out. But the majority of their worst picks have been picks made based on a pre-determined decision to attack a specific position at a specific spot.

When you do that, you're just so very prone to seeing what you wanna see. And I just don't know how folks can be so eager to just dismiss that.

[nicksdad]

The problem is that we can’t absorb ceh , fau, skyy etc . Picks like these are why the eagles total roster is so much better than ours . In two of the last three SBs we got our bent over by teams with better rosters . Having the best QB only does so much . Looms roster top to bottom also better than ours if 3/4 of their D isn’t on the IL .

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

At what point are we going to actually fix LT?

The offense has cratered the last 2 years mostly bc of LT. They’ve had 7 of these guys start at LT since Fisher ruptured his Achilles, including a LG.

How many games have we seen the last 2 years where Mahomes is getting his ass kicked bc the LT is getting destroyed?

I’d say about 20% of the games were ruined on offense bc of that. Broncos, Raiders at Arrowhead both times, Chargers both times, Eagles and Texans playoff games. All games where Mahomes was pressured so much we couldn’t run anything. Half of the playbook was thrown out at least.

I’d say about 70% of the other games were checkdowns, short passes and horizontal passes. People blame Nagy for this all they want, but it’s because of the LT. They’ve had zero trust in Wanya to hold up. None.

Our generational QB went from a fun gunslinger to Alex ****ing Smith because of the OL destroying everything.

Listen man. I don’t like the pick based upon injury, but I completely understand the risk. This shit has to end. It’s affecting Mahomes and the offense too damn much. There is not a better LT prospect this team could get than this kid. It’s not even close.

Missing on this pick is not gonna ruin the team. They gave up no assets to get him. In fact, they got a 5th moving back to get him.

We’ve got 3 picks in the meat of this draft to improve the team. Everybody knows day 2 was going to be the best time to improve this football team. We’ve known that for 2 months.

So will it be Nagy next that will be the issue with Mahomes playing bad or?

[New World Order]

We drafted a fatty that doesnt look fat

And that's what I have to say about that

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This is ultimately where I have to get to - the team has blown a couple first round picks in the last 5 years and it's been fine.

But every time they do they get just a little closer to the pack. To where a few weeks of scattershot play cost them a bye or HFA and now they have to work just a little harder to get to where they want to be.

And as HoF throughput like Jones and Kelce age out while the home run 2022 draft class gets more expensive, they get closer and closer to being ordinary + Pat Mahomes.

Which is still a damn nice place to be. But it makes your margins week to week and season that much tighter.

I totally agree with all of this. But I also think you can flip this view around and it argues for this exact pick.

Veach likely isn't going to recreate the 2022 draft outcome again. That was a master class. So rather than assuming that all the picks are going to be contributors and that the balance of the class will be its saving grace, you're going to need to find some blue chip talent along the way to make up for the inevitable misses. And when picking in the 30s, you're going to have to take some swings on guys that are high ceiling/low floor prospects.

And here we are with Simmons.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn

Are we talking about the Rick that let Justin Houston play with a torn Acl and was one of the ones that gave Andy Reid info that Eric Berry would be like day to day for 12 games out of 16? lol
That doesn’t sound encouraging.

FYI... Eric Berry chose to be day to day...

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by kccrow

A couple of years ago, I said I was leaving for good. I'm not saying I'm leaving here now.

What's frustrating is that if you put in the time to find and share information and content here anymore, nobody really looks at it. If you formulate an opinion based on that information, you'll only be ridiculed, chastised, and rejected if it goes against what the Chiefs do.

It's kind of sad that the fanbase has become a "succumb to what Veach does" group that never questions anything for any reason. It wasn't that way when Carl was around. Hell, it wasn't that way when Dorsey was here, and he's the one who built the true core of this team. Hey, I love Veach. I hope he continuously rebuilds the core of this team that John Dorsey handed to him and keeps it this competitive for a long, long time. But does that mean I'm required to like all of his decisions, despite proof that some of those have been downright awful? One can't be vocal against Veach and get along here, so it really becomes a choice against wanting to put in any effort related to having an opposing opinion.

As for the content, it really does take a significant amount of time to put out a lot of content, even if it's not great content. And, I'm not even doing anything special. There are plenty of resources out there to gain information from that are as good or better than anything I have time to put out. It just might not be so easily accessible. I'm not accomplished enough nor do I have the substantial time to put shit up behind a paywall, like some have suggested, and have a following. I'm not about to do a podcast. I have 6 kids in my house, how good would that work out? Those guys that do them have far less credibility than the best posters here, and yet they get respected and their opinions are admired even when they cut against the grain. Why put in that time for no gain only to have it shit on routinely? Doesn't make much sense, does it?

If Matt from KCSN said it or whoever on Twitter said it or dickwad on his podcast said it, it'd be gold. If DJ, duncan, or Crow say it, they don't know shit, can't read studies, etc. ****, I have an undergrad dual major in Mathematics and Physical Education (which is about 60% PT coursework BTW) and I don't know statistics or how to read a study or anything about the human body. It's like **** right off.

Who knows, it might be best to just start spending a little more time with my kids and my fiancé in the winter and spring instead of drafturbating and reading medical studies on sports injuries and the like.

I can still pop on and spew bullshit about my next meal at Taco Bell or something, bitch about what happened in the Week 9 loss, or whatever. I just don't think I really want to put in the effort, and that might be a good thing.

I really do hope the pick works out. It would be quite the coup.

Plenty of folks here disagree with the pick. Speaking like it's already a foregone conclusion that the pick is a failure, Simmons will never be a good player, and Veach is a ****ing idiot that will only be vindicated if the Chiefs get lucky is where I'm kind of taking pause.

[O.city]

So I'm reading it was a partial tear of the patella tendon....can anyone clarify?

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Guys, nobody thinks a healthy Josh Simmons is a bad pick. Nobody.

The question is whether he will EVER be the same player again, and the historical evidence is that it's really unlikely that he will be.

The folks against this pick were against it because it's so damned unlikely, but aren't rooting for him to fail. It's just a HUGE risk.

After sleeping on it, I'm a bit more philosophical about things. No risk it, no bisquit. I'm trusting Veach and Burkholder and I assume they have information that we don't.

If this works out, it's maybe the second best pick in the Andy Reid era. If it doesn't, well, it's not like we haven't had other first round disappointments.

In a vacuum, it doesn't seem like a risk worth taking; the chance of success is so low. But it's not a vacuum, it's an individual, and I'm trusting the doctors here.

Let's roll.

No Willie Gay references please...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

At what point are we going to actually fix LT?

Who's to say we hadn't already? There's a lot to like about Jaylon Moore.

Or, from a different angle, who's to say we have NOW?

I mean if you think either guy is a 50/50 proposition at the LT spot, you've still only put together a 75% chance that you've finally found a starter there. Better, but by no means ironclad. And if you were starting with 50/50 on Moore, the odds that you've locked it down didn't go from zero to 75% with the Simmons get -- they went from 50 to 75%. Moreover, 50/50 is what you'd have with a Simmons who DIDN'T get injured. But we've done this math already. Ultimately, adding Simmons to Moore might move that needle from 50% likely to have a solution to 60% likely to have a solution.

That's...not a lot of marginal return.

Which is why at some point your STAFF needs to perhaps consider something that ISN'T a dogmatic refusal to change up your offense to help your LT.

{shrug}

It's done. And the 'why' of it isn't even in argument. Everyone has acknowledged why (many of whom would've even supported the why for someone like Conerly).

We'll see. Guy might be a genetic marvel. Might be the 1 of 1 that comes out of this as good as ever. Or maybe he's not and it's just another 1st round pick that didn't work out very well no differently than MEH or FAU.

What else is there but to wait and see?

But if y'all wanna come out here and 'call out' folks that don't like the pick, don't get all pissy when they....still don't like the pick.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by In58men

They’re putting full trust into Rick Burkholder’s decision.

He ultimately gave them the nod to draft him.

I’m here for it, Rick is a very smart dude. They brought him so he can check him out, in the end Rick obviously said he’s good to go.

Burkholder has 30+ years experience doing this… and has actually seen Simmon’s injury/recovery up close.

That informed insight vs people here whose “knowledge” of the patellar tendon is what they have read on Wikipedia.