Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Discuss.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Purdy has played in just 25 regular season NFL games. Not even two full seasons. He's played in 5 playoffs games, and posted a 4-1 record so far. His QBR in the playoffs is a very solid 76.0.


He's better than Garoppolo ever was, better than Kirk Cousins, far better than Herbert, way better than Tua, Dak . . .

He's not elite by any means, but he's not some JAG. This season it looks like statistically he's a top-5 QB. If he continues to play close to how he's played through his first full season as SF QB1, he'll easily be a top-10 QB next year, very close to top-5 probably.


And he hasn't played two full seasons yet. He's a long way from fully developed.

What makes him better than Cousins or "far" better than Herbert? Are you telling me Herbert wouldn't kill it if he was the QB of the 49ers? I'd be far, far more worried about this game if Herbert were their QB, and I'm pretty sure you would be too if you're honest.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I guess the best you can really say about the Campbell pick is that they took LaPorta with their next pick and its not like there were a lot of great defensive players taken in between.

I think it would be better for them to have Deonte Banks than Jack Campbell, for instance. Myles Murphy would be an upgrade on Cominsky, IMO, and a nice long-term asset. And man, moving up a spot or two to get Christian Gonzalez would've been awesome for them.

I think Campbell was just a bad pick born of wrongheaded thinking. If the guy turned out to be Luke Kuechly, I'd be wrong. But he's not.

Their GM basically took guys who had huge dropoffs after them, they were like man we need a LB and if we pass here we will get someone far less talented.

Banks probably should have been the pick though.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

What makes him better than Cousins or "far" better than Herbert? Are you telling me Herbert wouldn't kill it if he was the QB of the 49ers? I'd be far, far more worried about this game if Herbert were their QB, and I'm pretty sure you would be too if you're honest.

I get why people think Herbert is overrated and part of that is he got drafted by the Chargers...but this idea he's worse than Brock Purdy is a joke.

[FloridaMan88]

Some serious redecoration is in order for the Chiefs practice facility next week.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah, you're getting tricked a bit by the talent around him and the scheme.

Which has made guys like Bubby Brister, Brian Griese, and Jimmy Garroppolo look like competent QBs at times.

Purdy is a good, steady player. But the lack of arm strength is an issue.

If you get him off schedule at all, he's not going to make the play on his own.

You might be entirely right that the majority of his success is the system around him. But the film has promising things about him.

Dude can wait till the last minute and take a hit from DL and still throw a strike. He can wheel around on off schedule plays to get extra yards. Thats all being created by him. None of that is the system.

He's by far the best QB in the Kyle Shanahan system so far. But he's also young and makes mistakes. We have to be ready to capitalize on that.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

You might be entirely right that the majority of his success is the system around him. But the film has promising things about him.

Dude can wait till the last minute and take a hit from DL and still throw a strike. He can wheel around on off schedule plays to get extra yards. Thats all being created by him. None of that is the system.

He's by far the best QB in the Kyle Shanahan system so far. But he's also young and makes mistakes. We have to be ready to capitalize on that.

No No he's not.

Kyle Shanahan got an MVP year from Matt Ryan, that is the best QB Kyle Shanahan worked with.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Some serious redecoration is in order for the Chiefs practice facility next week.

Ewwww!!!!!

[RaidersOftheCellar]

From the comments section at The Athletic:


Niners fan here. Chiefs should definitely be the favorites. I’d put my money on them.
Go Niners!

Niners fan but think Chiefs should be 7 pt fav. Mahomes is so much better than Love or Goff.

I’m a Niner fan and I’m sensing a blowout. I’m not sure the Chiefs will need to suit up a punter. Niners defense is smoke and mirrors and the smoke has cleared. Mahomes will shred them.

As a Niner fan I don't get it either. I just watched my defense give up 148 yards rushing in the first half to Detroit. They flipped the script in the second half, but Andy Reid now has two weeks to dissect that mess.

And, as a 9ers fan, I would say that Reid is a much better offensive play caller and HC than Shanahan at this point.

Niners fan as well… and I don’t see how the Chiefs are anything but favourites heading into the game.

Niners fan but I can’t understand us being favored by any amount of points right now.

Niners fan here. Agree completely. I also think -5 would be about right.

As a Niners fan, their inconsistency is maddening. Chiefs offense hasn’t been great during this regular season but Mahomes finds another gear in the postseason. The Chiefs have to be favourites at this point.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by Mecca

No No he's not.

Kyle Shanahan got an MVP year from Matt Ryan, that is the best QB Kyle Shanahan worked with.

Sorry, in his tenure in SF is what I meant.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter

Look at how many times cmc scored, purdy is not like Allen who gets most of his tds in the red zone mainly with rushing, the 49ers will beat the chiefs

The first part of your post is the entire problem. You're relying on CMC, not Purdy.

Purdy only had 1 TD in the Lions game bc a pass that should have been intercepted bounced off the guys facemask and Aiyuk caught it. This is the same exact formula you guys used in the last SB with Jimmy G.

It isn't gonna work dude. Spags held that offense to 20 points with slow LB's and Terrell Suggs who was basically in hospice at that point of his career.

You better pray like hell that your average defense gets stops early bc if we get up on you by double digits it's curtains. That's exactly what our defense wants and that's exactly what Shannahan is trying to avoid.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

What makes him better than Cousins or "far" better than Herbert? Are you telling me Herbert wouldn't kill it if he was the QB of the 49ers? I'd be far, far more worried about this game if Herbert were their QB, and I'm pretty sure you would be too if you're honest.

Cousins is 1-4 in the playoffs. And let's be honest, he panics in big situations. That last throw last year came from panic; if he'd thought about it, he had to take the shot downfield to JJ; it was the best and only way to keep the game going and potentially get a W. Purdy has shown in his short career that he's fearless; he'll make big throws in big moments. He doesn't seem to panic the way Cousins or Dak will in those stuations.


And yes, Herbert in the SF system should be more potent. And on paper, yeah, I'd be more concerned about Herbert; he's obviously far more talented than Brock.

But it's not like Herbert hasn't had weapons. He's had Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Ekeler, etc. and still hasn't been able to accomplish in 4 seasons what Purdy has in just 1.9 (slightly less than 2 seasons).


Maybe I'm wrong, but at this point it appears that Purdy is the more efficient and mentally tough QB.

[Chiefspants]

I’ve watched a lot of the Niners this year (my wife had Purdy, Deebo and CMC on her fantasy team, so we usually followed them on NFL Gameday).

My read is that Purdy is a top tier QB in the Shanahan offense. Remember how Cheating Shanahan Senior made Jake Plummer look like a Hall of Fame QB against the mid 2000’s Chiefs and got him to an AFC Championship game? Hell, Shanahan JR. pretty much got Jimmy G a 4,000 yard season. Though system QB is an overused term, the Shanahan system has been a very real thing since the mid 90’s.

Purdy is better than Jimmy G and may grade out at an A within that system. Unlike Elway and Matt Ryan, I’m not convinced he could be elite outside the system - but I think he has the juice to be regularly successful under Shanahan Jr. He is more evasive than Jimmy G and throws less panic interceptions (very unlikely to throw a desperation closed eye interception when down 7-3 in the Super Bowl, for instance). Him being able to buy time when things go off script and him being more willing to save the fight for another down (unlike Jimmy) is big when the next down is another opportunity to get the ball to Deebo, Aiyuk, CMC or Kittle.

The dude hits his spots well, can make sharp intermediate throws to his playmakers in stride (10-20 yards). And while he only has a decent arm, he’s more Trent Green than Alex Smith in that he’s willing to throw it up and let his playmakers fight for the ball downfield.

He can’t be overlooked simply because if the 49ers are able to stay on script (I.E. keep the game within one possession), he’s less likely to get rattled, and has more home run hitters than Jimmy (like CMC or Deebo) who can get 6 in one play. When the Niners are able to stick to their game script, he can be patently infuriating running the Shanahan offense like we’ve seen several QB’s in the past (Jimmy G the first three quarters in Super Bowl 54 is a great example).

The formula to beat him, as many have suggested, is to build an early lead like we did against Baltimore and force him to take deep drops constantly. Eliminate his quick release game and force him to throw downfield and I like our chances. I certainly would feel better about our defense holding down a lead more than the Lions this weekend.

I.E. the Niners defense. They’re weird to watch. Their front four should be better and should be able to get home on their own. But often they just.. don’t? Pressure doesn’t seem to come consistently and sacks are usually done individually and more sporadically from their playmakers. Their front four could be so good that it makes up for their deficits in the secondary. They definitely should be taken seriously, as they have the talent to wreck a game. They remind me of our line with Houston, Jones, Bailey and Ford. A line that can rack up a lot of sacks but typically not generate consistent pressure and could disappear for broad chunks of the game. If they aren’t making it home, it should give Mahomes plenty of time to dice up their secondary.

The Niners are a good team who earned this Super Bowl bid. If they’re able to stick to their game script they are as formidable as the best Shanahan teams (their weapons are reminiscent to the 97 Broncos to me, even with a McCaffrey, ick). But we certainly have the talent to knock them off their gameplan on both sides of the ball and force this contest to be one that comes down to Mahomes vs. Purdy - and when we were able to do that in Super Bowls 54 & 57 - it brought the Lombardi to Kansas City.

[RunKC]

This defense does not look good. Pretty confident saying this is the worst defense we've faced in a Super Bowl with Mahomes

The Lions are running a Stack Mills (Dbl Post) against the 49ers' weak rotation Cover 3 (Cross).

Weak Safety rolls into the Post, leaving the Cross (St. Brown) wide open.

Goff reads leverage & throws the one the Safety doesn't take open. #ArtofX pic.twitter.com/pj6ipbnr8c

— Cody Alexander (@The_Coach_A) January 30, 2024

Nice Box beater by the Lions vs. the 49ers.

St. Brown trails the vertical & splits the box, sitting down once the flat defender pushes too wide.

Goff hits him perfectly so he can still see the Seam defender & make a move.

DET seemed to make all their 1H 3rd Downs.#ArtofX pic.twitter.com/Zmt2US3GcI

— Cody Alexander (@The_Coach_A) January 29, 2024

[Pasta Little Brioni]

People forget that Jimmy Grapes in the Superbowl year was pretty much Purty this year....and he didn't have McCaffrey. It's the SYSTEM combined with 4 ELITE skill guys. Pat would put up 50 TDs again with those weapons.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni

People forget that Jimmy Grapes in the Superbowl year was pretty much Purty this year....and he didn't have McCaffrey. It's the SYSTEM combined with 4 ELITE skill guys. Pat would put up 50 TDs again with those weapons.

I'm inclined to agree. Purdy is Garrapollo+. He extends plays more with his legs, takes more risks downfield, and isn't afraid to take a shot to deliver the ball. But he's wilted against good defenses. He should have trouble with us, in theory. I just hope it works out in practice.