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View Poll Results: How will the Chris Jones deal play out?
Chris Jones will get paid by the Chiefs 207 70.17%
Chris Jones will get traded by the Chiefs 88 29.83%
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Old 07-22-2023, 06:08 PM  
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The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition
Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute



Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.
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Old 08-01-2023, 08:19 AM   #511
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Statistically speaking, no.

Derrick Thomas played in 10 postseason games, but failed to log a single tackle in any of those contests.

Not really hard to grasp though, play against an anemic Marty offense, get the lead, and run the football to the opposite side of where Thomas is lined up.

Hell I don't even think DT played in the second half of his AFCCG because we were so far behind and they were feeding Thurman Thomas every series in that 30-13 loss.

So there's 2 sides of the fence here.

Goose egg on the stat sheet crowd, and the "hidden stats" crowd.

But generally, no. DT was not the same force in the post season that he was in regular season, at least on the stat sheet.
Umm.. Thomas had tackles in the postseason.... You don't see any before 1994 because it wasn't logged as a stat. Also he had 4 in 94, and 5 in 95, after they were being logged.

And yes, you are correct that he was not rushing the passer when our lack of an offense was awful and we were stuck playin Run D for essentially 3 quarters while our offense was incapable of doing anything worthwhile.
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Old 08-01-2023, 08:22 AM   #512
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This has to be trolling... right? I'm unsure anymore with some of the takes I see on here.... I mean, Donald was better literally the year before in the playoffs... not to mention Joe Greene, Warren Sapp, Alan Page, and well... countless more players who had phenomenal postseasons and phenomenal careers.
Poor wording/abbreviation on my part DT- Derrick Thomas
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Old 08-01-2023, 08:23 AM   #513
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Had Derrick played with Patrick Mahomes, he'd be in the running for best defensive player of all time.
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They can't trade him now so it's kind of pointless to discuss and I don't think you can tag and trade him next year with that cap hit.

So CJ and his agent definitely have some leverage here.

I hate to just let him walk next season with no compensation coming back. I'm not really sure the answer here.
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Old 08-01-2023, 08:27 AM   #515
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The edge rushers statistically have the edge sack wise, but I think Jones is more of a force overall in his impact.
This is where I disagree. I understand that EDGE gets the edge sack wise, but I don't think that Jones makes more of an impact than them.

From 2 thoughts:

1.) We can't act like all of Jones production comes from the inside. Only 59% of his snaps were from the interior. Over 40% of the time, he was lined up at End or over the tackle, which lowers a fair amount of that positional value he gets.

2.) Unlike several of those EDGE defenders (IMO) he still has glaring holes in his Run D game.

But it's all good. We both come from a place of logic, just have a different way of looking at it.
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Poor wording/abbreviation on my part DT- Derrick Thomas
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This is where I disagree. I understand that EDGE gets the edge sack wise, but I don't think that Jones makes more of an impact than them.

From 2 thoughts:

1.) We can't act like all of Jones production comes from the inside. Only 59% of his snaps were from the interior. Over 40% of the time, he was lined up at End or over the tackle, which lowers a fair amount of that positional value he gets.

2.) Unlike several of those EDGE defenders (IMO) he still has glaring holes in his Run D game.

But it's all good. We both come from a place of logic, just have a different way of looking at it.
The run defense thing just...doesn't really matter as much to me. It's a passing league, I want him to be disruptive in the pass game and good in the run game. I don't necessarily think he needs to be dominant as a run defender (even though I think it's a bit overblown and he's become better there the past few years).

This also makes him more valuable as he's more versatile than said edge only guys in that he can play inside and out. I think the edge play ticks down alot now that they've invested in legitimate edge guys though.
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Old 08-01-2023, 08:29 AM   #518
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Had Derrick played with Patrick Mahomes, he'd be in the running for best defensive player of all time.
DT had the disadvantage of playing with anemic offenses but he had a lot of DL talent like Neil Smith and Saleaumua to help him up front.

He was a fantastic regular season player, but postseason he wasn’t great. I have a recollection of Buffalo running straight at him one game and he essentially got pulled out.
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Had Derrick played with Patrick Mahomes, he'd be in the running for best defensive player of all time.
Actually I don't think so. I think part of what makes him such a legend is he was hands-down the best player we had. He was so good that the defense was "the show". If he'd had Mahomes on his team the spotlight wouldn't have shined nearly as bright on DT.
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DT had the disadvantage of playing with anemic offenses but he had a lot of DL talent like Neil Smith and Saleaumua to help him up front.

He was a fantastic regular season player, but postseason he wasn’t great. I have a recollection of Buffalo running straight at him one game and he essentially got pulled out.
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Actually I don't think so. I think part of what makes him such a legend is he was hands-down the best player we had. He was so good that the defense was "the show". If he'd had Mahomes on his team the spotlight wouldn't have shined nearly as bright on DT.
With Mahomes and co putting up the offensive numbers they would have he wouldn't have had to worry about defending against the run and would have had so many more rushing opps.
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The more I've though about it....I just don't think I'd be in business of paying a defensive player that much on a 3rd contract specifically. Even as good and as much as I love CJ here....today's defense is just so much about the sum of it's parts. You can't have holes, gotta have legitimate NFL starting caliber guys everywhere.

Offenses are too good at finding holes.

I don't know what I'd do...glad it's not me making the decision.
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Veach is working on a trade for Jones as we speak.

I think we swap #1's with the bears

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If I were gonna pay a DL 30 mil...I think I'd try to figure out a way to trade for Nick Bosa
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If I were gonna pay a DL 30 mil...I think I'd try to figure out a way to trade for Nick Bosa
So you want to pile on giving up a shit ton of picks on top of the salary? No thanks.
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