Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs - Page 35

**Rain Man** · 11:30 AM

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.

Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)

Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.

Teams As Of Post #113:

Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

**Rain Man** · 02-03-2016, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefscafan

Damn my QB situation got bad and no real way to solve it unless one of the three steps it up

It's funny. Once you get a hole in a place, it's really hard to fill. I've been trying to get myself a pass-rushing outside linebacker for six years and can't do it. Admittedly, I haven't invested high picks, but you'd think over time one of them would work out.

**The Franchise** · 02-04-2016, 12:28 PM

So where can I start in this?

I was in this back in 2009...but stopped playing after a year. Do I just start fresh?

kccrow · 02-04-2016, 12:40 PM

I'd love to get in on this as well, looks fun. Can't believe I've never read this thread...

**Rain Man** · 02-04-2016, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

So where can I start in this?

I was in this back in 2009...but stopped playing after a year. Do I just start fresh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

I'd love to get in on this as well, looks fun. Can't believe I've never read this thread...

Cool. If you want to start, you can start with the current Chiefs roster. You'll get the same draft picks that they do, and lose or gain free agents as they do. The only difference is who you draft. We have a few rules about trade-downs and trade-ups that you can look up, or I can share them on draft day.

We did a few special things to rosters when we started this several years ago, but at this point I'll just wave my hands at them. Start monitoring the thread as draft day approaches, and I'll post up the available picks and any trades to accept or reject. Then in training camp you'll finalize a 53-man roster and go from there.

I'm glad you're interested. The game starts slow because your roster doesn't diverge quickly, but after several years it's really cool to see how the team changes.

DJ's left nut · 02-04-2016, 03:33 PM

I may have to try this, but I'm worried that I'd pull a Rainman and make my team demonstrably worse than Scott Pioli did.

I mean, congrats on the Russell Wilson thing and all, but Hankerson and Wright instead of Houston and Poe....that's not so good.

**Rain Man** · 02-04-2016, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I may have to try this, but I'm worried that I'd pull a Rainman and make my team demonstrably worse than Scott Pioli did.

I mean, congrats on the Russell Wilson thing and all, but Hankerson and Wright instead of Houston and Poe....that's not so good.

Hey, Wright would be a strong starter on the Chiefs, and ... Russell Wilson, so I win.

Bowers is probably my biggest regret. I shuffled my draft around to get him, thinking he would be a cheap star and that didn't work out at all. CJ Spiller is a bummer, too. I thought he would blow the place up. He's still around and playing, but just as a bit player.

Feel free to join in. It's fun to look back once you get a few years under your belt.

DJ's left nut · 02-04-2016, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Hey, Wright would be a strong starter on the Chiefs, and ... Russell Wilson, so I win.

Bowers is probably my biggest regret. I shuffled my draft around to get him, thinking he would be a cheap star and that didn't work out at all. CJ Spiller is a bummer, too. I thought he would blow the place up. He's still around and playing, but just as a bit player.

Feel free to join in. It's fun to look back once you get a few years under your belt.

I'll have to try to remember it in a month or so.

I'm surprised by how few 'pre-draft' trade downs I've seen going backwards in the draft. Seems like most of you are content simply eating the discount and moving down.

**The Franchise** · 02-04-2016, 04:26 PM

So do we just start with the Chiefs roster as of the draft? How do we handle FAs?

**Rain Man** · 02-04-2016, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

So do we just start with the Chiefs roster as of the draft? How do we handle FAs?

You start with the current Chiefs roster, but you won't get any of their draft picks later unless you also pick them. If a Chief is cut, you can choose to keep him, but if he leaves as a free agent he's gone. You don't lose free agents from other teams when they leave, which is really just laziness on our part since it's a lot of work.

You'll get any free agents who arrive for the Chiefs.

**Rain Man** · 02-04-2016, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'll have to try to remember it in a month or so.

I'm surprised by how few 'pre-draft' trade downs I've seen going backwards in the draft. Seems like most of you are content simply eating the discount and moving down.

For me, I like the security of moving down exactly where I want to be. I don't want to take the risk of trading down and missing the guy I'm targeting.

In real life, I hate trading down. But in this game it's worth it sometimes even if you have to give the discount. At least, that's the case in my opinion.

chiefscafan · 02-04-2016, 09:12 PM

Yeah I'm still bummed about missing the draft year of Russell Wilson he would of been my pick in the third round I loved him in that draft. Got to busy that year to participate and was forced to take the Chiefs draft. Oh well no use in crying now I have to hope a QB I like falls probably . Thought geno was gonna be a lot better than he turned out.

**The Franchise** · 02-05-2016, 11:21 AM

So for now what's the roster size? Is it 90 like during the normal NFL offseason? We just have to get down to 53 before the start of the regular season.

**Rain Man** · 02-08-2016, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

So for now what's the roster size? Is it 90 like during the normal NFL offseason? We just have to get down to 53 before the start of the regular season.

Yeah, in your case you'll start with the entire KC roster after all free agency moves. You'll then add your own draft (but not the Chiefs' actual draft). Finally, you'll drop to 53 when the NFL does their final cuts. We have no IR and no practice squad - just 53.

**Rain Man** · 04-11-2016, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Draft needs going into 2016

High priority:
Starting LG
Starting C
Pass-rushing OLB

Moderate priority:
Eventual starting HB
Starting DE (again!)
Starting LT (again!)
Starting SS
QB depth

Low priority:
Starting FB
CB depth
Developmental ILB
Nose tackle depth
#3 TE

Non-priority:
WR, K, P, LS, FS

I thought Devito was coming back. His retirement really shuffles my draft priorities.

**wazu** · 04-11-2016, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I thought Devito was coming back. His retirement really shuffles my draft priorities.

Yeah, he screwed us all.

03-22-2009, 12:15 AM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1199936 VARSITY	Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years. 1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster. 2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add. 3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing. 4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster. 5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have. 6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post. 6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. 7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players. Original post: You can ignore this now. Spoiler! Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon. The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting. Here's how the game will work. Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.) Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly. Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub". Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285. Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues. Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player. There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap. I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting. So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team. Teams As Of Post #113: Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox) Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333) Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman) Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon) Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover) Duluth Normans (Rain Man) El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz) Fargo Rape (SNR) Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good) Fresno Refugees (Adam) Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter) Hartford Manticores (Crush) Honolulu Craters (Sully) Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu) Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser) Little Rock Reapers (doomy3) Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan) Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis) Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut) Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka) Omaha Streakers (speak24) Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry) Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72) San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog) Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg) Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23) Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts) Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1) Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie) Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk) Worcester Sauce (unothadeal) Added Rules and Reminders: 1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted. 2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in. 3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent. For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259) For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.) You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.) Last edited by Rain Man; 04-25-2024 at 11:30 AM..*
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The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2555047	So do we just start with the Chiefs roster as of the draft? How do we handle FAs?
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02-05-2016, 11:21 AM	#522
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2555047	So for now what's the roster size? Is it 90 like during the normal NFL offseason? We just have to get down to 53 before the start of the regular season.
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