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Tesla Cybertruck
Well, he said it was going to be different.
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The thing about battery storage is that it is still quite expensive for homeowners. Plus, I looked into teslas batteries and they aren't even available for my area.
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Superchargers will eventually all have as much local production as is feasible(canopy solar, nearby field maybe) and high capacity storage themselves. It will help, but super high throughout chargers like Cali will have to draw from the grid. Cali already overproduces energy, they just need a place to store it to flatten the duck curve and deal with high demand charging locations. They already have the highest density of EVs anywhere but maybe Norway. They should have more data than anyone to make it a smooth transition. Sent from my Pixel 6 Pro using Tapatalk |
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They're must of the way through solving this by making the car structure itself tragically more efficient in weight with gig castings and structural battery. This should move 80% of vehicle demand to iron based cathode lion batteries. Iron is plentiful and this alleviates demand of nickel for large and performance models. Gravimetric and volumetric energy density don't matter much to stationary storage, so iron will suffice here as well. Looking forward, the only bottleneck Tesla has yet to solve is battery minerals. Govts should be opening regulations for domestic production and all signs point to Tesla getting into mining for themselves, so I expect them to accelerate that industry as well. If it's not obvious to you yet, it should be glaring at some point between now and 2025. Sent from my Pixel 6 Pro using Tapatalk |
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Costs for storage shouldn't really be a problem either. Only reason their costs are up so much currently is supply chain and high demand.
Lithiums gone through the roof, but that should incentives more production plus their own mining efforts. Capacity is increasing with 2 new factories brought online. Crappy they have to temper demand, but if the line gets too long, it'll leave a bad taste in customers mouths. They should deliver 1.5M cars this year and grow 50% yoy for awhile. They are also in the process of ramping or building 4 separate high volume factories currently that are 100% Tesla owned and operated. So eventually they should be the world largest producer of batteries in addition to largest consumer. Sent from my Pixel 6 Pro using Tapatalk |
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The construction industry travels and travels in cold environments where batteries lose near half their capacity. They have a lot to fix to be reliable in the field.
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I don't but the people who run businesses in those fields that have studied the feasibility do not like what they see.
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Not really. Govt still talks like transmission lines are going to melt. Still take the kWh contained on a gallon of gas multiplied by total gallons to determine kWhs needed for electric cars. It's completely dishonest.
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Same as they did for solar/wind for years. Old data and ignore the declining trend in costs. Same as had been done for batteries.
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That is a weekend warrior delight. It’s only a concept car, so I’m not going to crap on it too much. Look at my posts. I am pumped for an electric truck, and not the ford version in particular. I want a usable vehicle. |
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So batteries it will be. Grid batteries don't have to be high tech/light weight, and costs will no doubt drop. It's not really a question of technology. It's more a question of whether the country can invest in its future. The free market isn't really interested in forward thinking and solving these types of problems. See Texas experiment in turning its electrical grid over to private sector and what happens when the temperature drops below freezing. California's legislature being captured by PG&E didn't turn out any better. I wish I had a bit of your optimism. (Just what are you smoking? ![]() Especially when the country is so politically divided and you get people acting out of spite just to 'own' the other side even when it's not even in their own self interest.
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This is just a concept car, but they'd sell a ton of these if they ever brought them to production.
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