Royals 2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 349

**alnorth** · 10:54 PM

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
(from alnorth)

With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:

Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

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If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

sedated · 07-11-2012, 03:24 PM

^^^(I won't quote the troll to spare the smart people that have him on ignore)

It’s a good thing we have your opinion to tell us facts.

Don’t you have anything better to do with your time? Or have all the other boards banned you? Do you really get your jollies from picking on the Royals? THE ROYALS?!

Ceej · 07-11-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

^^^(I won't quote the troll to spare the smart people that have him on ignore)

It’s a good thing we have your opinion to tell us facts.

Don’t you have anything better to do with your time? Or have all the other boards banned you? Do you really get your jollies from picking on the Royals? THE ROYALS?!

I figure he will start

once his O's are in the shitter.

The last part of the first half shows they'll be there soon enough.

Ebolapox · 07-11-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

The SABR community is a bit confused as to why Alciedes is grading so low on defensive metrics, because he is obviously one of the best defenders at SS in the league. A lot of people are theorizing that Mike Moustakas' defensive ascension has been affecting Escobar's numbers.

hasn't escobar had almost as many errors this year (through this point) than he had all of last year combined?

**BigMeatballDave** · 07-11-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

So you would take him over Jose Reyes,Starlin Castro,Asdrubal Cabrera,Troy Tulowitzki?

Yes. Escobar is only 25. His numbers are similar to all these players.

Do some research before posting your tripe.

**SAUTO** · 07-11-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Hanley Ramirez -28
Troy Tulowitzki-27
Starlin Castro- 22
Jose Reyes-29
Asdrubal Cabrera-26
Elvis Andrus- 23
Ian Desmond-26

Not hating but i just don't see it.

my my my havent you turned into quite a one who sucks the penis?

**gblowfish** · 07-11-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Not a troll bud to sit here and say Alcides Escobar is gonna be the BEST SS IN MLB is just flat out crazy.

I think right now he is among the best defensively, and he's hit right at or over .300 for most of the first half. That's pretty damn good for a 25 year old on a last place team (or close to last place team).

Esky and Perez are the two guys who I would say are untouchable. I think you could trade Hoz or Moose for starting pitching if you absolutely had to, but I hope they can find a workaround to keep these guys together for awhile. We need to get a starter in FA, possibly trade for another, and try to find at least one guy in our current system that can step in like Odor Eater or Zimmer, although Zimm is probably two to three years away. Tommy John (a former Yankee) really blew up our long term plans this year.

**BigMeatballDave** · 07-11-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by h5n1

hasn't escobar had almost as many errors this year (through this point) than he had all of last year combined?

Kinda. He has 9. 15 last season.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 07-11-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

I think right now he is among the best defensively, and he's hit right at or over .300 for most of the first half. That's pretty damn good for a 25 year old on a last place team (or close to last place team).

Esky and Perez are the two guys who I would say are untouchable. I think you could trade Hoz or Moose for starting pitching if you absolutely had to, but I hope they can find a workaround to keep these guys together for awhile. We need to get a starter in FA, possibly trade for another, and try to find at least one guy in our current system that can step in like Odor Eater or Zimmer, although Zimm is probably two to three years away. Tommy John (a former Yankee) really blew up our long term plans this year.

He's at .307 at the break ftr.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-11-2012, 05:03 PM

I've only seen a handfull of the kid's games, but damn he does look like he could be something special for quite some time at SS. Ignore Oriole boy

Three7s · 07-11-2012, 05:36 PM

Anyone that thinks Escobar is nothing special has never seen him play. If you want an example of what Escobar could be, see Omar Visquel in his prime.

Wilson8 · 07-11-2012, 07:08 PM

Royals would consider bringing Zack Greinke back to K.C. as a free agent
By Jon Heyman | Baseball Insider
July 11, 2012 5:15 pm ET

KANSAS CITY -- The Royals haven't ruled out a run at bringing star free agent putcher Zack Greinke back to Kansas City if he remains unsigned after the year, a person familiar with the team's thinking said.

The Royals have always liked Greinke and aren't going to hold his 2010 trade demand from Kansas City against him. They are said to want to add two proven starting pitchers via free agency over the next couple years, and Greinke, who won the Cy Young for the Royals in 2009, would be a great start.

The chances for a reunion aren't necessarily as great, however. The biggest factor in Greinke's decision remains the chance to win, and although the Royals appear to be on the right path they are still unproven.

Considering Greinke's strong two seasons in Milwaukee and a scarcity of quality starters, there should be a very full field of suitors for Greinke. Matt Cain's $112.5-million, five-year deal is a pretty good comp for Greinke, though he may be able to leverage free agency into an even bigger deal.
The Royals have a very nice nucleus of position players but seek to bolster their pitching ranks with the goal of competing for a title in 2014 in mind.

They have been beset by injuries this year -- to their starters, their relievers and their catchers, resulting in a 37-47 record.

Winning is the key for Greinke, and they Royals do have some talented young pitching prospects, especially Jake Odorizzi and Yordano Ventura, who opposed each other in the All-Star Futures Game here Sunday, plus also Chris Dwyer and Mike Montogomery. In any case, Greinke would likely want to evaluate any team's chances before committing to them, and that includes the Royals. Hard-throwing lefthander Danny Duffy impressed Greinke before going down with an elbow injury.

Greinke, a 28-year-old righthander, built some very strong relationships in Kansas City that still stand. While his willingness to go to some teams but not others (he rejected the Nationals at the time he requested a trade) impacted the package the Royals received, the Royals apparently have no hard feelings that would prevent them from wanting him back.

Cole Hamels and Greinke will be the best free agent starting pitchers on the market, assuming neither comes to a contractial arrangement with their current team before hitting the open market. The next tier of free-agent starters would include Ryan Dempster, Edwin Jackson, Kyle Lohse, Hiroki Kuroda, Shaun Marcum, Colby Lewis and Anibal Sanchez.

The Rangers, Angels, Braves and Orioles are among teams interested in trading for Greinke should the Brewers decide to deal him this month. He'd have a long list of interested teams in free agency, but the Angels and Braves -- two pretty consistent winners -- would seem to fill Greinke's main requirement.

Greinke, 25-9 overall with the Brewers including 9-3 with a 3.32 ERA this year, becomes the first man since 1917 to start three straight games Friday.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jo...s-a-free-agent

**BigMeatballDave** · 07-11-2012, 07:18 PM

I'd like to have him back, but I don't think we can match what a few other teams will offer.

**BigMeatballDave** · 07-11-2012, 07:20 PM

How shitty will Milwaukee feel if we sign Zack and Cain and Odorizzi become key players?

stonedstooge · 07-11-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Kinda. He has 9. 15 last season.

He's made close to 9 plays that most of the other good fielding shortstops may not have made

Kidd Lex · 07-11-2012, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Not a troll bud to sit here and say Alcides Escobar is gonna be the BEST SS IN MLB is just flat out crazy.

Go under your bridge you ****ing troll.

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07-11-2012, 07:08 PM	#5231
Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $2917557	Royals would consider bringing Zack Greinke back to K.C. as a free agent By Jon Heyman \| Baseball Insider July 11, 2012 5:15 pm ET KANSAS CITY -- The Royals haven't ruled out a run at bringing star free agent putcher Zack Greinke back to Kansas City if he remains unsigned after the year, a person familiar with the team's thinking said. The Royals have always liked Greinke and aren't going to hold his 2010 trade demand from Kansas City against him. They are said to want to add two proven starting pitchers via free agency over the next couple years, and Greinke, who won the Cy Young for the Royals in 2009, would be a great start. The chances for a reunion aren't necessarily as great, however. The biggest factor in Greinke's decision remains the chance to win, and although the Royals appear to be on the right path they are still unproven. Considering Greinke's strong two seasons in Milwaukee and a scarcity of quality starters, there should be a very full field of suitors for Greinke. Matt Cain's $112.5-million, five-year deal is a pretty good comp for Greinke, though he may be able to leverage free agency into an even bigger deal. The Royals have a very nice nucleus of position players but seek to bolster their pitching ranks with the goal of competing for a title in 2014 in mind. They have been beset by injuries this year -- to their starters, their relievers and their catchers, resulting in a 37-47 record. Winning is the key for Greinke, and they Royals do have some talented young pitching prospects, especially Jake Odorizzi and Yordano Ventura, who opposed each other in the All-Star Futures Game here Sunday, plus also Chris Dwyer and Mike Montogomery. In any case, Greinke would likely want to evaluate any team's chances before committing to them, and that includes the Royals. Hard-throwing lefthander Danny Duffy impressed Greinke before going down with an elbow injury. Greinke, a 28-year-old righthander, built some very strong relationships in Kansas City that still stand. While his willingness to go to some teams but not others (he rejected the Nationals at the time he requested a trade) impacted the package the Royals received, the Royals apparently have no hard feelings that would prevent them from wanting him back. Cole Hamels and Greinke will be the best free agent starting pitchers on the market, assuming neither comes to a contractial arrangement with their current team before hitting the open market. The next tier of free-agent starters would include Ryan Dempster, Edwin Jackson, Kyle Lohse, Hiroki Kuroda, Shaun Marcum, Colby Lewis and Anibal Sanchez. The Rangers, Angels, Braves and Orioles are among teams interested in trading for Greinke should the Brewers decide to deal him this month. He'd have a long list of interested teams in free agency, but the Angels and Braves -- two pretty consistent winners -- would seem to fill Greinke's main requirement. Greinke, 25-9 overall with the Brewers including 9-3 with a 3.32 ERA this year, becomes the first man since 1917 to start three straight games Friday. http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jo...s-a-free-agent
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