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Mr. Laz · 02:57 PM

A source in St. Louis familiar with the situation told NewsCenter 16 Thursday afternoon that Missouri will leave the Big XII and soon join the Big 10. Other schools expected to follow the Tigers are Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers and Nebraska.

Many have speculated that such an expansion would include Notre Dame but ND athletic director Jack Swarbrick told me today that the Irish prefer to stay independent in football and in the Big East for other sports. Swarbrick said maintaining football Independence is such a part of what Notre Dame is.

He went on to say the Big East is a great partner for the University in other sports.

"We do have to monitor what is going on," Swarbrick said. "There will be significant shifts. "Hopefully we can navigate them by keeping our football independent and keeping our Big East affiliation because that is what we care about."

The move of Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers to the Big Ten from the Big East could categorically change the landscape of the Big East itself. Thus, what Swarbrick is referring to when stating the University must continue to monitor what is going on.

The interview with Swarbrick was done before the late afternoon announcement.

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healthpellets · 06-13-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

oh come now ... Mizzou was on the leading edge of this from the very beginning. Don't act like MU was some kind of unknowing victim. MU saw an opportunity and took a shot ... now it looks like it might not work out.

If Nebraska hadn't backdoored ya you guys would be strutting around singing *we are the champions* and laughing at everyone still left in the Big 12.

The only people who weren't neck deep in this shit from the beginning were OU,OSU,ISU,KU and KSU. I'm not even sure about OU/OSU ... they may have been whispering in Texas's ear the entire time too.

well now that's just bullshit.

everyone one in the goddamn world has known for the last 40 years that Mizzou had an interest in joining the B10. that's never been a secret. simply stating that "if we were approached we would listen" doesn't mean a damn thing.

if what Harvey Perlman said is true, Mizzou leaving for the B10 would have done nothing to the B12. Nothing. So saying that Mizzou even talking about leaving caused anything to happen is simply not true.

Nebraska was looking for a reason to jump, and Texas provided that reason. So if you want to blame Mizzou, go ahead. No one here cares any more.

ceebz · 06-13-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

Other than they would be giving up their automatic bid into the BCS..as someone pointed out earlier in the thread, Boise, Mepmhis, BYU have been in top 20 power rankings the past few years...they are up and comers ...UT might stay as well...the only thing we know for sure is NU, CU, OU, OSU are gone or good as gone...the others well they might stay

wouldn't this be interesting

Kansas
KState
Iowa
Missouri
Memphis
Cincinnati

TT
UT
A&M
TCU
Baylor
Houston

Texas could have its own TV network and Memphis and Cincinnati would bring expanded TV market to conference

Interesting to note:

KC #31 TV Market
Cincin #34
SLC # 33
Denver #18 (AF has a large following in Denver)
STL #21
Dallas #5
Memphis #48
Houston #10

OU and OSU will follow Texas. If Texas stays, so do the Oklahoma schools.

A&M is not going to stay in the Big 12 without Texas. Why would they?

I live in Denver and Air Force does not have a huge following here. Their following is in Colorado Springs.

I'm sorry, but, that conference is garbage. If the Texas five leave, that leaves only five teams, which is not enough to keep their BCS bid. Joining the MWC will be their only option. Again, there is no Big 12 without Texas. Texas leaves, this conference is extinct.

ceebz · 06-13-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

uhh. you know its between isu and nebraska to win the north this year right? even with iowa state having the hardest schedule in the nation. your basing them off previous teams they have been.. they are a lot different and better under rhoads. they beat themselves last year.. that isnt happening this year now that they have a year in the new systems
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Yawn. So the Cyclones might be competitive this year?

They're still not a BCS school. They don't have a tv market.

Bambi · 06-13-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

http://capstonereport.com/2010/06/12...join-sec/6584/

KU to the PAC-10, Keitzman was right

healthpellets · 06-13-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

http://capstonereport.com/2010/06/12...join-sec/6584/

that's really too bad. aTm was a decent academic institution and will instantly be the best research institution in the SEC, but that's like being the prettiest girl at fat camp.

so now we're gonna be fighting the SEC for TX recruits. super.

Bambi · 06-13-2010, 11:00 AM

KU and KSU should just merge. They'd be unbeatable round these parts.

RustShack · 06-13-2010, 11:00 AM

competative this year? there were only two games last year they werent. they would have won every other one if they were all on the same page and didnt beat themselves. and the tv market isnt what makes you a bcs team.
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DenverChief · 06-13-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ceebz

?

I live in Denver and Air Force does not have a huge following here. Their following is in Colorado Springs.

As do I (Denver-Chief)...maybe it's my military friends...seems like I know lots of chAir Force followers here

**DaKCMan AP** · 06-13-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by healthpellets

so now we're gonna be fighting the SEC for TX recruits. super.

DenverChief · 06-13-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

As do I (Denver-Chief)...maybe it's my military friends...seems like I know lots of chAir Force followers here

As in Buckley AFB Denver, CO

Frazod · 06-13-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

As do I (Denver-Chief)...maybe it's my military friends...seems like I know lots of chAir Force followers here

One of my best friends is a major in the Air Force, and he doesn't even give a shit about Air Force - Army all the way.

And that works out great for me, since every year he insists on making a bet with me on the Army/Navy game. It's like an annuity at this point.

DenverChief · 06-13-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

One of my best friends is a major in the Air Force, and he doesn't even give a shit about Air Force - Army all the way.

And that works out great for me, since every year he insists on making a bet with me on the Army/Navy game. It's like an annuity at this point.

I wish I could say the Army fielded good teams....they ALWAYS lose to Navy

Bambi · 06-13-2010, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

competative this year? there were only two games last year they werent. they would have won every other one if they were all on the same page and didnt beat themselves. and the tv market isnt what makes you a bcs team.
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That's what's sad about all this.

Who has a better athletic history? Iowa State or Rutgers?

Iowa State or Mississppi St?

Iowa State or Baylor?

The Cyclones have an athletic tradition worth keeping. Unfortunately the dollar is running all of this and at this point what can you do?

Frazod · 06-13-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

I wish I could say the Army fielded good teams....they ALWAYS lose to Navy

Losing to Navy is a lot easier than it used to be. They've got a hell of a team.

Army, not so much.

teedubya · 06-13-2010, 11:12 AM

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1093803

Three different sources at Big 12 South schools being targeted by the Pac-10 told Orangebloods.com Sunday morning that Dan Beebe's attempts to secure a new TV deal on par with the SEC's $17 million/school payout for the 10 remaining schools in the Big 12 is in play.

The sources said they are proceeding cautiously with the new information provided by Beebe.

But the information might slow down the rocket-like pace of Big 12 schools seeking a new home and possibly draw all the divided parties back to the table.

Here's what Beebe has provided to the five Big 12 South schools who have been targeted by the Pac-10, including Texas A&M, who has been in deep conversation about joining the SEC, according to sources.

--Beebe has secured information that enough money could be inked in its next TV negotiation (in 2011) that revenues per school would jump from between $7 million and $10 million in the Big 12 currently to $17 million, which is what the SEC pays out.

--Individal institutions would be allowed to pursue their own networks, which has been a goal of Texas. If the Longhorns went to the Pac-10, they would have to forgo their own distribution platforms, including a network, because the Pac-16 would seek to have a conference network in which all inventory is shared.

(Consultants have put Texas' ability to generate revenue from its own network at between $3 million and $5 million after a start-up window of about three years.)

--The Big 12 would proceed with 10 teams. Everyone would play everyone in football, providing a nine-game conference schedule. And the option to save or dump the conference championship game would be determined by the institutions.

--The loss of Nebraska and Colorado should have been a loss of about 16 percent to the league's revenue generating capacity. But because Colorado was an underperformer, the league lost only about 8.6 percent of its value with the loss of Nebraska, according to sources with knowledge of the Beebe Plan.

Hold on folks. This is about to get interesting. The key in all of this is that Texas appears to be at least reconsidering its position on going to the Pac-10 and will listen to the Beebe proposal and to the idea of remaining in the Big 12.

Nothing is done. It is fluid. But the Beebe Plan to hold the Big 12 together is definitely in play right now.

As Orangebloods.com was told by a top source in the day's developments: "The winds to keep the Big 12 together with 10 teams are getting stronger."

The plot only figures to thicken as Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott and Pac-10 chief operating officer Kevin Weiberg spoke to officials from Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in Oklahoma City Saturday and are in College Station today to speak with Texas A&M officials, according to sources.

Texas had been resolute up to this point that if Nebraska left the conference, it would accept an invitation to join the Pac-10 and lead an exodus that appeared to include Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State.

Texas A&M has been in deep discussions with the SEC and as of Saturday night had enough votes on its Board of Regents to join the SEC (believed to be 6-3). But the dissenting votes on A&M's regents board are apparently passionate about keeping Texas and A&M together and not breaking up a 100-year rivalry by having the schools head to different leagues.

SEC commissioner Mike Slive was in College Station Saturday. Sources close to the situation say A&M has an invitation to the SEC if it wants it. The SEC has also been doggedly pursuing Oklahoma.

But thus far, OU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State have indicated they would stay with Texas. Up to this point, that appeared to be an announcement to join the Pac-10, starting as early as Tuesday of this week.

But with news that Texas is now seriously considering the Beebe Plan, there is a growing chance the Big 12, which is now at 10 schools (the Big Ten, by the way, is now at 12 schools) just might survive after all.

Stay tuned.

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teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9003042	http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1093803 Three different sources at Big 12 South schools being targeted by the Pac-10 told Orangebloods.com Sunday morning that Dan Beebe's attempts to secure a new TV deal on par with the SEC's $17 million/school payout for the 10 remaining schools in the Big 12 is in play. The sources said they are proceeding cautiously with the new information provided by Beebe. But the information might slow down the rocket-like pace of Big 12 schools seeking a new home and possibly draw all the divided parties back to the table. Here's what Beebe has provided to the five Big 12 South schools who have been targeted by the Pac-10, including Texas A&M, who has been in deep conversation about joining the SEC, according to sources. --Beebe has secured information that enough money could be inked in its next TV negotiation (in 2011) that revenues per school would jump from between $7 million and $10 million in the Big 12 currently to $17 million, which is what the SEC pays out. --Individal institutions would be allowed to pursue their own networks, which has been a goal of Texas. If the Longhorns went to the Pac-10, they would have to forgo their own distribution platforms, including a network, because the Pac-16 would seek to have a conference network in which all inventory is shared. (Consultants have put Texas' ability to generate revenue from its own network at between $3 million and $5 million after a start-up window of about three years.) --The Big 12 would proceed with 10 teams. Everyone would play everyone in football, providing a nine-game conference schedule. And the option to save or dump the conference championship game would be determined by the institutions. --The loss of Nebraska and Colorado should have been a loss of about 16 percent to the league's revenue generating capacity. But because Colorado was an underperformer, the league lost only about 8.6 percent of its value with the loss of Nebraska, according to sources with knowledge of the Beebe Plan. Hold on folks. This is about to get interesting. The key in all of this is that Texas appears to be at least reconsidering its position on going to the Pac-10 and will listen to the Beebe proposal and to the idea of remaining in the Big 12. Nothing is done. It is fluid. But the Beebe Plan to hold the Big 12 together is definitely in play right now. As Orangebloods.com was told by a top source in the day's developments: "The winds to keep the Big 12 together with 10 teams are getting stronger." The plot only figures to thicken as Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott and Pac-10 chief operating officer Kevin Weiberg spoke to officials from Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in Oklahoma City Saturday and are in College Station today to speak with Texas A&M officials, according to sources. Texas had been resolute up to this point that if Nebraska left the conference, it would accept an invitation to join the Pac-10 and lead an exodus that appeared to include Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State. Texas A&M has been in deep discussions with the SEC and as of Saturday night had enough votes on its Board of Regents to join the SEC (believed to be 6-3). But the dissenting votes on A&M's regents board are apparently passionate about keeping Texas and A&M together and not breaking up a 100-year rivalry by having the schools head to different leagues. SEC commissioner Mike Slive was in College Station Saturday. Sources close to the situation say A&M has an invitation to the SEC if it wants it. The SEC has also been doggedly pursuing Oklahoma. But thus far, OU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State have indicated they would stay with Texas. Up to this point, that appeared to be an announcement to join the Pac-10, starting as early as Tuesday of this week. But with news that Texas is now seriously considering the Beebe Plan, there is a growing chance the Big 12, which is now at 10 schools (the Big Ten, by the way, is now at 12 schools) just might survive after all. Stay tuned.
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