Off Season Lets Talk Guns, Part 2

[HonestChieffan]

Been a while since we had a guns n' ammo discussion.


Some of you are AR shooters Im sure. Im looking at a Colt 6920. Will be my first AR. Picked up a Glock this fall and really enjoy shooting it. Any feedback on that weapon?



Anyone else been in a buy/sell/trade mood with hardware?

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Yea, I noticed that but for a young'n getting them out and enjoying it is a start. Work on technique can be done later.

Speaking as an instructor, the the first thing I would correct is his stance. He's leaning back, which is a natural reaction for a novice shooter (the mind tells you to move away from the coming explosion). Of course, the gun moves back with you, because leaning back doesn't make your arms longer. Leaning back gives you bad balance, and if a child or someone of slight stature fires a more powerful gun while standing like that, it can either stagger them or sometimes knock them on their ass, both of which are really bad for obvious reasons.

Very easily correctable, though. Just lean slightly forward.

[Bowser]

I think I'm about to enter the market looking for a .308, or a similar sized rifle. Any recommendations on what I need to look for, or if I should go another route entirely for a long rifle?

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I think I'm about to enter the market looking for a .308, or a similar sized rifle. Any recommendations on what I need to look for, or if I should go another route entirely for a long rifle?

What's it going to be for?

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

What's it going to be for?

Also, budget?

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

What's it going to be for?

Sport and hunting, probably in that order.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by notorious

Also, budget?

I'm not looking to drop 10K on one, lol.

I figure with all the eventual bells and whistles, 3K? I'll take feedback on that number, as well.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I think I'm about to enter the market looking for a .308, or a similar sized rifle. Any recommendations on what I need to look for, or if I should go another route entirely for a long rifle?

I went old school for my .308 and got a Springfield M1A Scout. Set me back around $1600 IIRC, and that was about 10 years ago. It's a great rifle and I like it a lot, but you're probably better off going the AR-10 route. Much easier to mount a scope/other accessories on that platform. I don't really have a recommendation regarding the manufacturer, although you'll obviously spend more on a 10 than a 15. It's not something you want to go cheap on, though. Low end will be around $1000. High end will be the sky.

Good luck.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Sport and hunting, probably in that order.

"Sport"? Like long-range precision shooting? 3-gun?


I assume you mean hunting deer/medium to large game, like deer. Another factor would be average range to target. When I lived in MO, the average shot was under 200 yds. Out here in AZ, it's a lot farther.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

"Sport"? Like long-range precision shooting? 3-gun?


I assume you mean hunting deer/medium to large game, like deer. Another factor would be average range to target. When I lived in MO, the average shot was under 200 yds. Out here in AZ, it's a lot farther.

Yes, exactly. Take it target shooting, maybe take it deer hunting.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Frazod

I went old school for my .308 and got a Springfield M1A Scout. Set me back around $1600 IIRC, and that was about 10 years ago. It's a great rifle and I like it a lot, but you're probably better off going the AR-10 route. Much easier to mount a scope/other accessories on that platform. I don't really have a recommendation regarding the manufacturer, although you'll obviously spend more on a 10 than a 15. It's not something you want to go cheap on, though. Low end will be around $1000. High end will be the sky.

Good luck.

Well, I have an AR-15 along with a JTS AK-12, so I could just keep the similar platform going with an AR-10? Lol

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I'm not looking to drop 10K on one, lol.

I figure with all the eventual bells and whistles, 3K? I'll take feedback on that number, as well.

3K will purchase one hell of a .308.

Armalite makes some nice AR-10s. I "built" an SASS 308 Armalite (separate upper and lower) about 15 years ago for about 1600. When you purchase the complete rifle they run over 3k.

They are heavy, though. If you plan on hauling it on long hikes it would suck.

Palmetto makes a decent AR-10 semi for a good price. Nothing wrong with them.

The most on scope I'd go is 10x, and that's out to 1k. FOV goes to shit on any higher power..

A Ruger Precision Rifle is a good way to go if you do a bolt action. Boring to shoot because they are serious tack drivers. On the large size, though.

16" get you out to 600/700 no sweat, 18" to 800/900. 20" to a 1000 but will go subsonic the last 50 yards on some days.

[Frazod]

A quick review of Bud's found a Springfield Saint Victor for $1263. That a good rifle for the price; I've sold a couple of them. Comes with a decent trigger. Put a decent scope on it and add a bipod and you should be all set for around $2000. That's all you'll need. This isn't a house clearing kind of rifle; it's a reach-out-and-touch-you at distance kind of rifle.

[Frazod]

I would also add that a .308 is something anybody serious about guns should have. It is a powerful round, generally available and not ridiculously priced. Also pretty near the top end of what will fit in a normal-sized magazine.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Frazod

A quick review of Bud's found a Springfield Saint Victor for $1263. That a good rifle for the price; I've sold a couple of them. Comes with a decent trigger. Put a decent scope on it and add a bipod and you should be all set for around $2000. That's all you'll need. This isn't a house clearing kind of rifle; it's a reach-out-and-touch-you at distance kind of rifle.

Uhh, would you (or anyone) be able to explain this to me? Please?

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_...t+action+rifle

That's quite the markdown! Kinda curious as to why, unless it's just beat to shit.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Yes, exactly. Take it target shooting, maybe take it deer hunting.

It's been awhile since I actually went window-shopping for a .308 rifle, but it sounds like you just need a basic bolt gun, like Frazod's scout.

I bought a Ruger Scout a couple three years back from a buddy, and it fits exactly those criteria. Lightweight, so when I take it hunting, I'm not sore in the shoulders lugging it around, like I probably would with an AR-10.

Simple, utterly reliable and accurate enough out to several hundred yards. The Ruger comes with a small detachable mag, so I bought an extra, so I don't have loose rounds rolling around in my bag or pocket. Comes with a little rail and iron sights, so you can put various optics on it. The irons are good enough at closer ranges. As an example, I'm not a great rifle shot freehand, but on my first day with it, I was able to hit an empty rolling 1-lb.propane can 4 out of 5 times at about 50 yds using the irons.

If they still make it, or if you can find one used, I'd suggest a rifle like the Ruger Scout.


Edit: after thinking about it, turns out I've had that Scout for at least 6 years. Yeesh, where'd the time go?