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Old 03-28-2024, 08:39 AM  
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I'll update the rosters and opening day lineup when its officially released.

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Old 07-29-2024, 07:41 PM   #496
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Fedde won’t be a FA in the off-season. He’s under contract for 7.5 million next year.

And is in the top 5 for AL pitching WAR.

It suggests that the league doesn’t trust his stuff. Or that they don’t think he’s a post-season pitcher.

In truth he probably isn’t. The fastball just isn’t very good. But as a slop tossing righty he can probably throw 180 IP at 25% above league average. That’s probably good for 4-5 WAR most seasons and is a screaming bargain in the regular season.

But it’s just another example of the team not being built for the post-season. It’s a rotation full of junkers. If they make it to October, they’re drawing dead.
The Cardinals got a younger version of Miles Mikolas. Same type of pitcher who reinvented himself in the Far East.
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Could have had Soto for Carlson. Now we will get a lottery type guy, if we are lucky. Typical Mo move.


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One of the latest rumors I saw was a rental middle relief guy being discussed for Carlson (Dylan Floro of the Nats).
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Tell me about why Dejong sucked so bad at the end of his time with you guys?
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Tell me about why Dejong sucked so bad at the end of his time with you guys?
A) He's just not a very good ballplayer but that doesn't mean he couldn't be average so the rest of it is

B) Everything the Cardinals touch turns to shit.

But really, a lot of it is still A. Dude's on pace for 30+ homers over a full season and has an OPS barely over .700. But/for playing in a launching pad, he wouldn't even be doing that well. Guy has 112 strikeouts this year to 14 walks. That's who he is - he close his eyes and swings hard in the hopes that he manages to make contact.

Stick him in a hitters park and he'll demonstrate a little power. In KC, he's going to be an offensive black hole. I mean a complete trainwreck. But he'll likely be a largely credible defensive player for you so he'll be at/near replacement value.

Honestly, if you don't have someone better in your system, that's a bit of an indictment on your system. Paul DeJong shouldn't be adding to a contender. He's not a very good ballplayer; fringe major leaguer at best.
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One of the latest rumors I saw was a rental middle relief guy being discussed for Carlson (Dylan Floro of the Nats).
If the Rays are looking to trade someone, I'd stay away from that guy.

If the Cardinals are looking to move someone, I'd absolutely be interested.

Who's the last outfielder they ditched that DIDN'T get better the instant he left St. Louis?

****ing Richie Palacios has 2 WAR in a part-time role in Tampa Bay this year. Richie Palacios!!

If a team trades for Dylan Carlson and gives him 500 PAs, they'll absolutely get at least a 3 WAR player for their troubles. The Cardinals ruin everything.
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Tell me about why Dejong sucked so bad at the end of his time with you guys?
Because he's streaky as **** and doesn't walk.

DeJong is perfectly fine as someone coming off of the bench to PH and then play the field or start maybe 1-2 games a week. His defense is good.

He just shouldn't be playing every day.

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If the Rays are looking to trade someone, I'd stay away from that guy.

If the Cardinals are looking to move someone, I'd absolutely be interested.

Who's the last outfielder they ditched that DIDN'T get better the instant he left St. Louis?

****ing Richie Palacios has 2 WAR in a part-time role in Tampa Bay this year. Richie Palacios!!

If a team trades for Dylan Carlson and gives him 500 PAs, they'll absolutely get at least a 3 WAR player for their troubles. The Cardinals ruin everything.

Kittredge has been awesome and Palacios was acquired off the trash heap. There's a bunch to bitch about-trading Palacios for Kittredge ain't it.
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Because he's streaky as **** and doesn't walk.

DeJong is perfectly fine as someone coming off of the bench to PH and then play the field or start maybe 1-2 games a week. His defense is good.

He just shouldn't be playing every day.




Kittredge has been awesome and Palacios was acquired off the trash heap. There's a bunch to bitch about-trading Palacios for Kittredge ain't it.
Oh I'm fine trading Palacios. And said so at the time.

I just think it's funny that ANOTHER outfielder left St. Louis and was immediately as good as the guys we have starting for us. And for the first couple months of the season (before Siani hit his weight and Burleson found his form) he was easily better than anyone we had.

He's just demonstrative of the fact that if the Cardinals are shopping a player, you'd be wise to kick the tires. Because far more often than not, that player will perform for you. Especially if he's an outfielder.
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Oh I'm fine trading Palacios. And said so at the time.

I just think it's funny that ANOTHER outfielder left St. Louis and was immediately as good as the guys we have starting for us. And for the first couple months of the season (before Siani hit his weight and Burleson found his form) he was easily better than anyone we had.

He's just demonstrative of the fact that if the Cardinals are shopping a player, you'd be wise to kick the tires. Because far more often than not, that player will perform for you. Especially if he's an outfielder.
There's no one in the OF who I like long-term playing there as a starter aside from Donovan. I like Nootbar but he gets injured all the time so can't really rely on him and Burleson needs to move to DH/1B long-term. Walker isn't an OFer and Siani, while one of the best defenders in CF in MLB, can't hit worth a damn.

So, they still need at least 2 OFers in the off-season (1 starter and another guy to at least be competent of platooning) and some how improve the rotation next year unless they trot out all of Mikolas, Lynn, and Gibson, which I am sure they will.
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There's no one in the OF who I like long-term playing there as a starter aside from Donovan. I like Nootbar but he gets injured all the time so can't really rely on him and Burleson needs to move to DH/1B long-term. Walker isn't an OFer and Siani, while one of the best defenders in CF in MLB, can't hit worth a damn.

So, they still need at least 2 OFers in the off-season (1 starter and another guy to at least be competent of platooning) and some how improve the rotation next year unless they trot out all of Mikolas, Lynn, and Gibson, which I am sure they will.
There's no cavalry coming, fellas.

The system is about as mediocre as the big league roster. They'll fast-track Wetherholt but even he is someone that makes a good team better; he doesn't make a mediocre team good.

The only thing that could make this team relevant would be a series of hail mary's.

1) Jordan Walker un-****s himself and becomes a genuine middle of the order bat.

2) Nolan Arenado wakes the **** up and starts playing hard again.

3) Tink Hence, Quinn Matthews, Tekoah Roby and/or Conner Hjerpe develop (essentially overnight) into viable top half of the rotation starters. You need 2 of those guys to be post-season capable starting pitchers.

4) I won't even talk about the laughable possibility of Juan Soto being a Cardinal. Or even Corbin Burnes. But maybe Pete Alonso (who's probably not a good fit for the park). Maybe Max Fried as a solid #2 starter? Maybe Bellinger as a starting CFer? A flyer on Walker Buehler that works out?

If literally every one of those things happen, this team can win 90+ games and maybe be ornery in the post-season.

I wouldn't be surprise if not a single one of them comes to fruition.
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There's no one in the OF who I like long-term playing there as a starter aside from Donovan. I like Nootbar but he gets injured all the time so can't really rely on him and Burleson needs to move to DH/1B long-term. Walker isn't an OFer and Siani, while one of the best defenders in CF in MLB, can't hit worth a damn.

So, they still need at least 2 OFers in the off-season (1 starter and another guy to at least be competent of platooning) and some how improve the rotation next year unless they trot out all of Mikolas, Lynn, and Gibson, which I am sure they will.
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