Royals 2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 338

**alnorth** · 10:54 PM

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
(from alnorth)

With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:

Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

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If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

**DeezNutz** · 07-09-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Interesting article about Royals targeting a starting pitcher in the offseason here

One starting pitcher is what I'd call a good start. Add one more and they might be in business...

Hope like hell this is true.

KevB · 07-09-2012, 09:40 PM

I've actually heard Miller has lost some velo this year, thus his struggles. Goldstein said it was probably time to start worrying a bit if you're a Cardinal fan.

ChiefsCountry · 07-09-2012, 09:44 PM

Shelby Miller? Cards want to give up on him, I thought he was part of the 4 Cy Young Winners that they were going to start.

**DeezNutz** · 07-09-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KevB

I've actually heard Miller has lost some velo this year, thus his struggles. Goldstein said it was probably time to start worrying a bit if you're a Cardinal fan.

I don't have much of any up-to-date knowledge of Miller, so I should preface all of my comments with that admission.

For me, moving Collins would be a priority because I simply don't think he has too many productive years ahead of him at the ML level. Just too damn small with a pretty violent delivery. Not all arm, but violent with his entire body.

He will break down sooner than the average bear, so I'd like to maximize the return, whatever that might be.

duncan_idaho · 07-09-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

No shit.

Collins is a midget and thus an injury waiting to happen. And I'll trade a proven reliever who will never be more than this (Crow) for a chance of a solid starter, even if the starter is only a #3.

Yeah. And for a guy like Shelby Miller, who has true ace potential, hell yes. He's scuffling at AAA a bit, but the stuff is still there.

I have seen some weird stuff from the Cards' GM regarding Miller. Basically calling him out in the media and saying he isn't listening to them/has falled in their minds as a prospect far behind Taveras, Martinez and Wong.

Simiar to the way he and La Russa ran down Rasmus in the media before trading him. Do they just not care about deflating players' value before they trade them or what?

duncan_idaho · 07-09-2012, 09:46 PM

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Hope like hell this is true.

Yeah, me too. Have to make some moves. They're also talking about being buyers at the break still. Not sure I buy that... but time will tell.

O.city · 07-09-2012, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah. And for a guy like Shelby Miller, who has true ace potential, hell yes. He's scuffling at AAA a bit, but the stuff is still there.

I have seen some weird stuff from the Cards' GM regarding Miller. Basically calling him out in the media and saying he isn't listening to them/has falled in their minds as a prospect far behind Taveras, Martinez and Wong.

Simiar to the way he and La Russa ran down Rasmus in the media before trading him. Do they just not care about deflating players' value before they trade them or what?

From what I've read and watched, Miller doesn't have that true ace potential you speak of anymore. He's lost 4 or 5 mph velocity this season, which as you know is a huge deal.

He hasn't developed any secondary pitches to a level they need to be at this point either.

**DeezNutz** · 07-09-2012, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah, me too. Have to make some moves. They're also talking about being buyers at the break still. Not sure I buy that... but time will tell.

Might be a situation where it's wise to buy now with 2013-14 in mind, rather than wait for the FA period and all hell to break loose.

If we could secure a Garza now, with confidence we could work out an extension, we're now in a position of power going into the off-season.

**SAUTO** · 07-09-2012, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Might be a situation where it's wise to buy now with 2013-14 in mind, rather than wait for the FA period and all hell to break loose.

If we could secure a Garza now, with confidence we could work out an extension, we're now in a position of power going into the off-season.

boy if we could pull off Garza and Marcum without losing Myers or odo think what we could do.

Hos.
Getz
Escobar
Moose
Gordon
Cain
Meyers
Perez.

Garza
Marvin
Odo
Chen
Hoch.

****.
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duncan_idaho · 07-09-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

From what I've read and watched, Miller doesn't have that true ace potential you speak of anymore. He's lost 4 or 5 mph velocity this season, which as you know is a huge deal.

He hasn't developed any secondary pitches to a level they need to be at this point either.

He skipped a start back in June and has regained his velocity since then. He's gotten shelled in two starts since, but the velocity is back.

**DeezNutz** · 07-09-2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

boy if we could pull off Garza and Marcum without losing Myers or odo think what we could do.
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Playoffs.

Balls in. No excuses.

O.city · 07-09-2012, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

He skipped a start back in June and has regained his velocity since then. He's gotten shelled in two starts since, but the velocity is back.

I don't think his velocity is quite back to where it once was, but I did hear it was slightly back up.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 07-09-2012, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KevB

I've actually heard Miller has lost some velo this year, thus his struggles. Goldstein said it was probably time to start worrying a bit if you're a Cardinal fan.

Cards fans are perfectly willing to trade Shelby Miller. I'd be leary.

**SAUTO** · 07-09-2012, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Playoffs.

Balls in. No excuses.

Only real hole is at second...
Oh and 2/3 of hoch's starts when he is bent over
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duncan_idaho · 07-09-2012, 10:08 PM

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I don't think his velocity is quite back to where it once was, but I did hear it was slightly back up.

Report I saw a week or so ago had him sitting back at 93-94. That's where he's been in the past, with the ability to touch 97-98 when he needs it.

His curve and change were already considered advanced by most scouts last year. One-pitch guys don't get ranked in the top 10 by every organization.

I'd sure as hell take the flyer on him. I'd give up Collins and Crow without blinking. And I'd give up more than that, too.

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