Call Your Shot: Who will be the Chiefs first pick in the 2025 NFL draft?

[staylor26]

I'm going with Josh Simmons, OT, Ohio St.

I think the Chiefs would prefer a guy like Walter Nolen or Derrick Harmon falls into their lap, but I don't think that happens next Thursday night, or at least I'm not going to get me hopes up.

A lot of people will not like this pick, due to the injury risk, but the Chiefs take a swing at a T that otherwise would never be in that late 1st round range.

Side note: I could also see Josh Conerly being the pick and could've just as easily chose him. Upside isn't as high, but he's probably safer given his health.

[O.city]

I'm just not as high on Burden as some. If he were as high upside as you guys are saying, I dunno that he'd be around at the end of the 1st...

[milkshock]

Burden for me


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[Bwana]

Conerly if he is still there is what my gut is telling me.

[RunKC]

With the understanding that Walter Nolen is gone way before we can think to acquire, this is my final wish list.

1. Derrick Harmon
2. Luther Burden
3. TreVeyon Henderson
4. Jahdae Barron
5. Trey Amos

A few things:

-Barron is falling in mocks and apparently on some teams board bc of why McDuffie did (not tall enough/short arms). Would be amazing value if we got him.
-Conerly makes no sense to me. He didn’t play RT. So we have him either learn to play on the other side which makes no sense or we draft him to replace Jaylon Moore before Moore even plays a snap? I would trust them if they did but not sure I recommend it.
-The first rd DT’s remaining outside of Harmon are not really better in my eyes than what is available in rd 2.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm just not as high on Burden as some. If he were as high upside as you guys are saying, I dunno that he'd be around at the end of the 1st...

This is a guy who would have been drafted at or around where Brian Thomas Jr was last year. It makes so much sense to me. But people think he regressed so it may happen.

The list of WRs who dropped to the 2nd and then became stars is crazy long.

It happened to Davante Adams ffs

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm just not as high on Burden as some. If he were as high upside as you guys are saying, I dunno that he'd be around at the end of the 1st...

His platform season wasn't good.

And I do think there are SOME teams that would struggle with him. If you put him out there as a WR1 with a relatively inexperienced QB, you might get him trying to bully guys.

But there isn't a team/system/staff in all of football better situated to handle any issues he has. And as I said previously, those issues just aren't real 'character' issues as much as they are competitive issues. I don't mind 'em -- especially not in this environment.

I mean who the **** is he really gonna 'big time' in this organization? You think he's gonna go out there and show up Patrick ****ing Mahomes?

And as for the platform season - I just absolutely believe that was the staff and his QBs that were to blame. I watched every game (or 90% of them) in his college career and the traits NEVER changed. They were always there.

And if September of last year we were worried this guy was going to go top 5 to the ****ing Broncos. Because the traits were THAT obvious. Every last one of them were still there last season.

His coaches and QB just didn't use him like they should. They used him as a decoy and gadget because at some point they realized that the QB was mind-****ed. Then he got hurt and Drew Pyne was worse than you and I would've been.

So many people are saying "If Simmons is there, we have to take him because injury has pushed a talent we NEVER get a shot at this late in the draft if he's healthy..."

Well you know what? That exact logic applies to Burden. But it wasn't HIS injury that's pushed that top 10 talent down to us. It was Cooks. And it was a talent drain from Mizzou that I mentioned in the Mizzou thread that we just didn't really recognize at the time.

This IS the same top 10 talent he was. And his QBs injuries and team circumstances are pushing him down to us where he just shouldn't be.

I'd take him without blinking. I might take him over Harmon and even Nolen. I am that sold on the pure ability.

[Warpaint69]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm just not as high on Burden as some. If he were as high upside as you guys are saying, I dunno that he'd be around at the end of the 1st...

im not either, don’t necessarily hate the idea of drafting him because we’ve seen what happens when our WR’s get hurt. There’s just other positions I’d go to if available.

[nychief]

Not that it means ANYTHING, but has there been any reports of the chiefs meeting with Burden? I was just curious.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Personal order of preference:

1. Emeka Egbuka (won’t be there, too safe, too many teams love him)
2. Luther Burden III (could be there, ceiling is through the roof, top 10 pick type upside)
3. Derrick Harmon (great fit, love his skill set, injury concern is not a long-term problem)
4. Josh Conerly (good fit for system, long-term play, can focus on building strength this year)
5. Trade back a bit if possible

Look, man.

I put in some REALLY solid groundwork with the wife last night. And ultimately this draft is probably gonna last until 11 or later - so it's probably all for naught.

If I bypass the culmination of those efforts just to get to 31 and see us trade out of that pick, Brett Veach had better have some of those Massage Therapists handy to make things right for me...

[Warpaint69]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

His platform season wasn't good.

And I do think there are SOME teams that would struggle with him. If you put him out there as a WR1 with a relatively inexperienced QB, you might get him trying to bully guys.

But there isn't a team/system/staff in all of football better situated to handle any issues he has. And as I said previously, those issues just aren't real 'character' issues as much as they are competitive issues. I don't mind 'em -- especially not in this environment.

I mean who the **** is he really gonna 'big time' in this organization? You think he's gonna go out there and show up Patrick ****ing Mahomes?

And as for the platform season - I just absolutely believe that was the staff and his QBs that were to blame. I watched every game (or 90% of them) in his college career and the traits NEVER changed. They were always there.

And if September of last year we were worried this guy was going to go top 5 to the ****ing Broncos. Because the traits were THAT obvious. Every last one of them were still there last season.

His coaches and QB just didn't use him like they should. They used him as a decoy and gadget because at some point they realized that the QB was mind-****ed. Then he got hurt and Drew Pyne was worse than you and I would've been.

So many people are saying "If Simmons is there, we have to take him because injury has pushed a talent we NEVER get a shot at this late in the draft if he's healthy..."

Well you know what? That exact logic applies to Burden. But it wasn't HIS injury that's pushed that top 10 talent down to us. It was Cooks. And it was a talent drain from Mizzou that I mentioned in the Mizzou thread that we just didn't really recognize at the time.

This IS the same top 10 talent he was. And his QBs injuries and team circumstances are pushing him down to us where he just shouldn't be.

I'd take him without blinking. I might take him over Harmon and even Nolen. I am that sold on the pure ability.

So would you say those 70 something % of those catches within 10 yards were because of QB issues and needing to exploit his YAC ability? I just didn’t watch him enough to know as much as you do

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by Warpaint69

im not either, don’t necessarily hate the idea of drafting him because we’ve seen what happens when our WR’s get hurt. There’s just other positions I’d go to if available.

Those other positions have depth. Not talking OT because frankly I don't like any of them. But DT can get easily gotten later and so can RB and so can CB or Safety.

You won't get Burden's talent at 62 though

[RunKC]

The Saints are reportedly trying to move down to acquire assets and move back up in late rd 1, presumably for Jaxon Dart.

If we don’t trade up, and the board is dry, I’d listen to the offer. If they're offering top 100 pick I’d probably take the deal.

[Warpaint69]

Originally Posted by nychief

Not that it means ANYTHING, but has there been any reports of the chiefs meeting with Burden? I was just curious.

Nope

[Kiimo]

Were there any reports of the Chiefs meeting with Rice or Zay Flowers? I honestly can't remember. I know Mahomes threw the ball around with them but I think that was hush hush?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Warpaint69

So would you say those 70 something % of those catches within 10 yards were because of QB issues and needing to exploit his YAC ability? I just didn’t watch him enough to know as much as you do

Absolutely.

Watch him downfield. There's not a guy in this class who tracks and adjusts to balls better than he does. He has enough speed to keep DBs honest and the fluidity and acceleration through his cuts to make them pay if they cheat on him.

He'll be an absolute demon in the intermediate areas, IMO.

He's not a limited receiver in any way, shape or form. It was ENTIRELY a by-product of his QB. And I do wonder if there weren't some attempts by Drink to keep him from getting killed. Because Cook misses downfield a lot and there were a ton of times that Burden just wasn't willing to let that ball go by -- he'd try to make a play on it and just get blasted.

I said it every year he was in CoMo -- Burden's going to get himself killed playing the way he does. I hear this 'desire concerns' stuff and its just dumb. The biggest issue that kid had was that he was exposing himself to some shots that he really shouldn't have trying to make a play.

Hits that would've broken Worthy in half.

And he'd do it in the return game as well; instead of going OOB after 12 yards, he'd cut upfield to get 15 and then get unloaded on.

No, he's not the reason he was catching short passes. He's just so good at YAC and his QB was so bad at...everything...that they were doing that to try to get him the ball.