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Old 01-26-2020, 01:35 PM  
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Kobe Bryant and daughter killed in helicopter crash
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https://www.tmz.com/2020/01/26/kobe-...-in-calabasas/
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Old 01-27-2020, 01:44 PM   #481
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Sad part is, with 9 people you know someone got there late, and he felt pressure/the need to push it.
Especially with two women who were unaccompanied by men to keep them on task. Probably had to stop late for a Latte
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Old 01-27-2020, 01:44 PM   #482
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He says they were going 3-4 mph? So perhaps they were looking to land but just couldn’t see where?
It's possible since it's a helicopter. If the pilot was trying to land though, I would imagine he would have tried to bring the aircraft further down and break through the fog.
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Old 01-27-2020, 01:46 PM   #483
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Old 01-27-2020, 01:46 PM   #484
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Definitely. I know all of what he’s saying but there is no way I’d be thinking about it when I heard it.
Yeah, I'd imagine that's the hindsight for him and commenting on it.
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Old 01-27-2020, 01:48 PM   #485
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Thanks for not pointing out that you have more hair than I do.
With 3 kids chipping at each other constantly, I will probably pass you in that category, too.
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Old 01-27-2020, 01:48 PM   #486
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Yeah, I'd imagine that's the hindsight for him and commenting on it.
Right. But I wouldn’t be thinking about whether or not there was rotor wash at the time to pay attention to what I saw. Or the sound. I wouldn’t have paid that much attention.
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Old 01-27-2020, 01:50 PM   #487
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Right. But I wouldn’t be thinking about whether or not there was rotor wash at the time to pay attention to what I saw. Or the sound. I wouldn’t have paid that much attention.
If he was MX or maybe ATC, he MIGHT be paying attention to the sound, but you're most likely right.
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He says they were going 3-4 mph? So perhaps they were looking to land but just couldn’t see where?
Spatial disorientation?

Couldn't see where he was flying so was going slow to wait for clouds/smoke/smog/fog to pass before resuming normal flight?
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Old 01-27-2020, 01:55 PM   #489
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The guy is intelligent and his account is detailed.
Hearing this makes me fear that the occupants burned to death. I pray to God that isn’t true
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Old 01-27-2020, 01:58 PM   #490
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He says they were going 3-4 mph? So perhaps they were looking to land but just couldn’t see where?
From the description, it sounds like he was hunting for the ground; a visual on anything on the ground. A road, a billboard, the overhead lights along a road, anything.

He had to be several hundred feet off the ground if there was no rotor wash effecting the bottom of the cloud cover, which the witness said was around 150 feet. This chopper was big if it could carry 9 people, so I'm guessing at least 300-400 feet off the deck? But surrounded on all sides by mountains/canyon walls. screw that noise.
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Hearing this makes me fear that the occupants burned to death. I pray to God that isn’t true
If they were accelerating into the side of a mountain is, I'm guessing they all died upon impact.
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Wonder if he thought he was hovering whwn he was moving first.
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Wonder if he thought he was hovering whwn he was moving first.
In that ship he should've had instrumentation that would tell him when he was in a hover? Probably should've had avionics that would put him in a hover at the press of a button.
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