Chiefs Geno Smith outplaying Mark Sanchez - Page 33

Hammock Parties · 08-01-2013, 05:14 PM

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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...-training-camp

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CORTLAND, N.Y. -- Rookie Geno Smith has outplayed Mark Sanchez through the first week of training camp, pulling even or perhaps ahead in the New York Jets' quarterback competition.

"He can do more" than Sanchez, one veteran said Wednesday, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

It was Sanchez's turn to lead the starting unit and he struggled, throwing an interception for the second straight practice. Smith has yet to throw an interception in team drills over the first five practices.

It's premature to anoint a starter -- after all, they haven't begun live tackling -- but the early development is noteworthy because people close to the team expected Sanchez, based on his experience, to look sharper than Smith at the outset. That hasn't been the case.

"Everybody gets enamored with the guy who throws a 96 mph fastball," coach Rex Ryan said of Smith. To be politically correct, Ryan quickly added, "But Mark certainly has a good enough arm to play in this league."

It didn't sound like a ringing endorsement. Sanchez declined to say whether he believes he's leading the competition.

"I don't know, ask the coaches," he said. "I feel good, though. I feel confident. I feel like I'm playing really well."

Smith has sparkled with his accuracy, but he tends to hold the ball too long when facing pressure, according to Ryan. That, he said, "concerns me a little bit." The organization knows what it has in Sanchez, who was benched late last season.

Privately, the hope is that Smith can master the offense and seize the starting job. Even if he doesn't win it, Smith will be involved in the offense. Even though Tim Tebow is gone, Ryan said he remains committed to running the ball from the quarterback position.

He's intrigued by Smith's running ability, which would give the Jets a run-pass option at the quarterback position. Ryan acknowledged the plan, admitting last year's strategy under former coordinator Tony Sparano was ill-conceived. They never trusted Tebow to throw the ball. Whenever they used him, it usually was a read-option running play between the tackles.

"I think if that's the only thing you do with that position, why don't you just leave a running back in, a guy that's trained to do it?" Ryan said, second-guessing last season's approach. "If you're going to have a quarterback do it, like a (Colin) Kaepernick or somebody like that, it becomes more of a weapon because you know it's not just Tebow coming and he's going to run the ball. That's kind of where we were last year."

Ryan laughed when asked if he plans to use the Wildcat (or read-option) more than last year. Tebow finished with 32 rushes, averaging only 3.2 yards per carry.

"We probably will because, you guys say it, we never used it," he said. "So I would say, yeah, I think that will be part of what we do."

In the Wildcat, the ball is snapped to a nonquarterback. In those situations, the Jets can utilize wide receiver Jeremy Kerley or a running back, probably Bilal Powell. When Smith is on the field, either as the starter or a change-of-pace quarterback, they can employ the read-option.

The presence of new quarterbacks coach David Lee, one of the Wildcat innovators, is another reason the team is planning to use it. Sanchez said he could run the read-option, but there's little chance of that happening. His running ability will forever be linked to the "Butt Fumble," when he ran into a lineman's rear end last season.

Smith's athleticism could be a factor in the quarterback decision. Sanchez acknowledged that Smith is "very talented when it comes to that stuff. But I can't worry about it." Sanchez joked about the quarterback competition, mentioning that he sees more front-office types on the field for practice, scribbling notes during routine drills.

He said it reminds him of his rookie year in 2009, when he won the job against Kellen Clemens.

"For you (reporters), it's your job, but it's funny to see everybody else charting stuff," he said. "Everything is under scrutiny. There's a ton of pressure. That's the way you like it; that's the way you play this position."

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-03-2013, 09:50 PM

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That really sucks. It's one thing to pass on QB but it's another completely if Fisher is a bust. It's far too early to make that type of prediction but the last thing you want to hear is that the #1 pick is struggling.

I think the Chiefs camp coverage has horrible. I so miss the days of the River Falls reports.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 08-03-2013, 09:56 PM

Let's see... No turnovers. Holding the ball too long. 77 yards on 16 attempts in a scrimmage. Lol. **** this YPA abortion. Some people have it... some people check down.

**Easy 6** · 08-03-2013, 10:03 PM

Fisher... come. on.

This a brand new world for him and any other rookie, so a young vet castoff from the jags made him look bad once... if you guys are seriously basing your entire opinion of him based off that...

Its sooo early and every swinging dick one of you know that to be true, might he fail miserably? thats always a possibility... but that outcome is sooo far down the line that not even the 10 best football minds here combined can point to a definitive outcome.

Hali got owned as a rookie in camp, same for DJ, same for Bowe, same for Charles, same for... you get the idea.

I know this post isnt changing any established sentiments... but gnash your teeth at me all you want, the fact is you DONT DONT DONT know whats going to transpire... he gets beat by a scrub, turns around and handles Hali or Houston, thats the way this goes.

You guys amaze me...

**RealSNR** · 08-03-2013, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy Was Offsides

Let's see... No turnovers. Holding the ball too long. 77 yards on 16 attempts in a scrimmage. Lol. **** this YPA abortion. Some people have it... some people check down.

Link to this scrimmage numbers?

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-03-2013, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

Fisher... come. on.

This a brand new world for him and any other rookie, so a young vet castoff from the jags made him look bad once... if you guys are seriously basing your entire opinion of him based off that...

Its sooo early and every swinging dick one of you know that to be true, might he fail miserably? thats always a possibility... but that outcome is sooo far down the line that not even the 10 best football minds here combined can point to a definitive outcome.

Hali got owned as a rookie in camp, same for DJ, same for Bowe, same for Charles, same for... you get the idea.

I know this post isnt changing any established sentiments... but gnash your teeth at me all you want, the fact is you dont know whats going to transpire... he gets beat by a scrub, turns around and handles Hali or Houston, thats the way this goes.

You guys amaze me...

I'm not concerned about Fisher at this point. But that said, it would be nice to hear that he's doing well or at least, holding his own.

Getting punked is not exactly inspiring.

**BossChief** · 08-03-2013, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Is he getting whipped in one-on-one's, too? Wow.

Well, it's early...

It was depressing a little to see with my own eyes no more than 30 feet in front of me.

Tyson Jackson was walking him like a dog and Houston blew right by him in route to a credited safety without even being touched.

What I saw:

He is having a lot of difficulty with his kick step and weight transfer. Also, he seemingly had a futile hand punch.

I doubt that he stays this way and people don't realize how different playing the right side is from the left...but the guy looked really bad out there and Scwartz is the second team right tackle.

Hopefully, something clicks for him during the preseason because if the season were to start tomorrow, he would be embarrassingly bad.

Hammock Parties · 08-03-2013, 10:06 PM

I wonder if Matt Kalil ever got owned by some also-ran free agent in training camp?

Bet not.

The double standard bullshit with Eric Fisher needs to get tossed out the window right ****ing NOW.

**SAUTO** · 08-03-2013, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm not concerned about Fisher at this point. But that said, it would be nice to hear that he's doing well or at least, holding his own.

Getting punked is not exactly inspiring.

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Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 08-03-2013, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Link to this scrimmage numbers?

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9536074

Hammock Parties · 08-03-2013, 10:09 PM

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Hopefully, something clicks for him during the preseason because if the season were to start tomorrow, he would be embarrassingly bad.

The most embarrassing thing about it is that Winston only gave up 3 sacks last year. PFF had him as the #8 RT in the league.

The bar is set, Eric.

I'm going to start calling him Cartman if he keeps getting cheesy poofed.

**RealSNR** · 08-03-2013, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

Fisher... come. on.

This a brand new world for him and any other rookie, so a young vet castoff from the jags made him look bad once... if you guys are seriously basing your entire opinion of him based off that...

Its sooo early and every swinging dick one of you know that to be true, might he fail miserably? thats always a possibility... but that outcome is sooo far down the line that not even the 10 best football minds here combined can point to a definitive outcome.

Hali got owned as a rookie in camp, same for DJ, same for Bowe, same for Charles, same for... you get the idea.

I know this post isnt changing any established sentiments... but gnash your teeth at me all you want, the fact is you DONT DONT DONT know whats going to transpire... he gets beat by a scrub, turns around and handles Hali or Houston, thats the way this goes.

You guys amaze me...

Nobody's declaring him a bust yet. I think he'll be a fine player. A fairly decent tackle. I think that Bryan Bulaga in Green Bay is a good example of the way Fisher's career trajectory may look for us, even though he'll get moved to the left side much sooner if Albert leaves next year.

I, for one, refuse to believe that the very very best this 2013 draft had to offer was Bryan ****ing Bulaga. Either Fisher turns it on (still possible) or Reid and Dorsey totally ****ed up.

Then there's the other argument that says it's not just enough to be better than Bulaga. Fisher has to be a top 5 and possibly even top 3 OT in the NFL for him to be worth the pick that we used on him. I'm absolutely championing this idea. It's nothing against Fisher himself, but it's everything to do with the way Dorsey and Reid sort of threw up their arms and said, "Welp, SOMEbody's gotta be the best player in this draft... Fisher it is."

**Easy 6** · 08-03-2013, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm not concerned about Fisher at this point. But that said, it would be nice to hear that he's doing well or at least, holding his own.

Getting punked is not exactly inspiring.

I'm not digging back into other threads as dispersed as they are right now, but thats what the tweets and other reports were saying, basically... "got his ass handed to him here, stuffed a real pro there"

Thats the arc of a rookie, no matter how talented.

keg in kc · 08-03-2013, 10:12 PM

People tend to focus more on the negative, it's our nature. He's probably not doing quite that badly.

Hammock Parties · 08-03-2013, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I, for one, refuse to believe that the very very best this 2013 draft had to offer was Bryan ****ing Bulaga. Either Fisher turns it on (still possible) or Reid and Dorsey totally ****ed up.

Bryan Bulaga was the ****ing 23rd pick.

**RealSNR** · 08-03-2013, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy Was Offsides

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9536074

Jesus ****ing Christ. I can't believe ESPN actually tallied numbers from a ****ing scrimmage.

I know I know... New York... popularity matters... whatever. But for ****'s sake, who does that shit?

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Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $37775	Fisher... come. on. This a brand new world for him and any other rookie, so a young vet castoff from the jags made him look bad once... if you guys are seriously basing your entire opinion of him based off that... Its sooo early and every swinging dick one of you know that to be true, might he fail miserably? thats always a possibility... but that outcome is sooo far down the line that not even the 10 best football minds here combined can point to a definitive outcome. Hali got owned as a rookie in camp, same for DJ, same for Bowe, same for Charles, same for... you get the idea. I know this post isnt changing any established sentiments... but gnash your teeth at me all you want, the fact is you DONT DONT DONT know whats going to transpire... he gets beat by a scrub, turns around and handles Hali or Houston, thats the way this goes. You guys amaze me...
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