Andy Reid appreciation thread

[Hammock Parties]

The guy could easily have tried to pump his superstar QB by throwing on the goal line at the end of the game.

He did the smart thing and pounded it three times for the ****ing win.

Word to your mother, Pete Carroll.



Oh, and he has mind control over the AFC West. 18-1 in his last 19.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by Naptown Chief

In favor of...?

Mike Kafka

[Jimmya]

Whomever Patty Mahomes wants I would wager.

[Naptown Chief]

Originally Posted by staylor26

A clock management specialist.

**** MY ANUS I KNOW JUST THE GUY!

(I'd post a pic but I still can't figure out how)
Jason Garrett is available now!

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by gold_and_red

I wasn't but maybe I should just to see how you explain it away dumas!

You seem nice.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Jimmya

Have to love the "regardless what happens in the playoffs" Same dudes that kept saying "its not Sutton, it's the players" lol and where is Sutton now?

I wanted Sutton fired in 2017, you ****. Go **** yourself.

You make shit up and copy/paste bullshit from sportswriters that happened 15-20 years ago. You have no opinion and you're too ****ing scared to definitively say, "I want Andy Reid fired."

You're a ****ing vagina. You sit here and predict the worst because of shit you made up like "clock management" and then won't even offer a solution to the problem because that would mean people could laugh at you when you're wrong.

This isn't hard, dipshit. Do you want Reid replaced as head coach next season? If he's the unchangeable idiot whose clock management issues are supposedly insurmountable obstacles to winning a Super Bowl, then ****ing say, "I want Reid fired."

Put it on the line, you pussy.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Lilmrp117

It is exactly this and Andy not knowing when to run and when not to run has been a problem with him since his days in Philly. What's maddening is that sometimes he'll pull a brilliant call out of his ass.

Unfortunately, there are far too many other times where he'll run a predictable run up the middle on 3rd and short or 4th and short like we saw in the colts game this year. Every time we have a 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1, I'm nervous as hell because I don't trust Andy and I suspect a lot of other people here are nervous as well. Of course, most people won't admit that now b/c we're too focused on getting pumped to win the playoffs.

It's gotten to the point where the guy literally NEEDS the equivalent of a Marcus Allen/Barry Sanders with glue hands to make it happen in any convincing manner. Mahomes is incredible no doubt, but having Hunt( briefly )was God's gift to Reid AND Pat.

To your point on the red zone:
All I know is that prior to Mahomes, the red zone might as well have been the nosebleed section shitter for all the good it was worth. "The field goal quadrant" or "rectangle of rectumology" was as pertinent as a Timex endorsement for the head coach.

Before everyone attacks me for being an Andy-hater, I take a position in the middle in this debate. Andy is not a horrible coach, but he's not great either. He has big flaws, one of which is his running game and short yardage play calls. I also believe that we will win the super bowl despite his flaws because a lot of mediocre head coaches have won super bowls if they coach long enough and Andy does pull some great moments - we just have to hope that the great moments will outweigh the bad ones.

He might win one, who the **** knows?( no one on this site for 100%, I can guaran****ingtee THAT. )
I guess it all comes down to who do you want to hope in one hand and shit in the other with.
I wasn't a fan of the hire from day one because to me, it represented the potential return to a "new Marty era" but with an offensive-minded head coach instead.
And I'll be good and goddamned if that isn't EXACTLY what we've reaped thus far.
( and no, that's NOT a good thing )

We're it not for FINALLY drafting a ****ing QB after 30 plus years, I would have written off Clark Hunt, his vision, and his family's football enterprise two years ago without looking back, my only regret too many precious hours of my life wasted.

Originally Posted by Jimmya

From ESPN stat line "One Super Bowl is the fewest for any coach with at least 20 playoff games. Nobody has coached more career playoff games and failed to win multiple Super Bowl championships, let alone one." and that stat is a FACT!

Originally Posted by Jimmya

"In 14 seasons with the Eagles, Reid reached the NFC Championship Game five times but advanced just once. Reid's faulty time management hurt the Eagles in that Super Bowl. Trailing the Patriots by 10 points late in the game, the Eagles took almost four minutes off the clock by using a series of short passes to get a touchdown. That left them little time when they finally got the ball back, and they wound up losing by three points.

Clock management was similarly a problem for Reid and the Chiefs in a January 2016 playoff game against the Patriots. Down by 14 points, the Chiefs took 16 plays and more than five minutes to get a score.

"It seems like it always boiled down to the small details of things: time management sometimes, a wasted opportunity sometimes, a loss of a timeout in an early point of the game," longtime Eagles safety Brian Dawkins said. "Those are some of the things we would see in Philadelphia"

Dawkins nailed it and I'll take the word of a multi-year Reid player over the emotional gushings of the "Happy Playoff Time Reid m00b-Massaging Association".
I mean how the **** do you coach for that many years at that level and NOT master the details of your craft?! People who take pride in their careers and work don't play that shit. Period.

Originally Posted by staylor26

This ****ing moron literally can’t think for himself. Instead, he let’s the talking heads think for him. And he’s not even denying it, he’s flat out admitting to it.

Congratulations on being one for the dumbest mother ****ers on this board dude.

Yes, yes; no source is ever good enough when it comes to Holy McFatty. We ****ing get it already, thanks.

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Regardless of what happens in the playoffs, do you want Andy Reid to be the head coach of the Chiefs next season? Yes or no?

Dead.
****ing.
Serious:

Who's on the market? Would we have some legit choices?
A cow this mother****er may be, but sacred he is NOT.
Not yet anyway.

Originally Posted by staylor26

Andy Reid is the football Santa and he gave us Mahomes. How the **** can you NOT love him?

How the **** you manage to be a perpetual 12 year old "Ralphie at Christmas" about this team AND Eyeore simultaneously, is absolutely ****ing amazing.
And strange.

Originally Posted by Megatron96

So because I like to be thorough I actually went back and watched the 16-play drive from 2016 that Jimmy referenced as an example of Andy Reid's terrible play-calling/time management issues. Alex Smith is the QB. My comments are in red. And here's what I found:

1st & 10 at KC 20
(6:29 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith scrambles right end ran ob at KC 22 for 2 yards.
12 gets open at the top of his route and is just a 17 yard pass or so which could've gone for 20+; Alex elects not to throw.
2nd & 8 at KC 22
(6:00 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete deep right to A.Wilson (M.Butler).
17 is wide open in the middle of the field for at least 15 yards, probably more with YAC, Alex feels a little pressure from the MLB but he's picked up by the C, and scrambles to his right, throws to 12 who's covered.
3rd & 8 at KC 22
(5:52 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short left to C.Conley to KC 38 for 16 yards (J.Coleman).
This is actually a nice anticipation throw by Alex. Delivers the ball right after Conley makes his break.
1st & 10 at KC 38
(5:21 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete deep right to A.Wilson.
Alex throws this out of bounds. 12 never ha a chance to catch this ball.
2nd & 10 at KC 38
(5:16 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short right to C.Conley ran ob at KC 40 for 2 yards.
Alex completes this pass, but he takes so long to deliver it that Conley is forced to come back; should've gone for at least 10 yards, not 2.
3rd & 8 at KC 40
(4:51 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete short left to K.Davis.
Alex feels pressure up the middle, bails out right and throws short at Davis.
4th & 8 at KC 40
(4:42 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short middle to J.Avant to NE 47 for 13 yards (L.Ryan).
This is another good pass by Alex on time and well-placed.
1st & 10 at NE 47
(4:17 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith scrambles left end pushed ob at NE 38 for 9 yards (D.Hightower).
This is a head-scratcher for a couple reasons. Alex has a couple places to go with this one, and is well-protected, but opts to run for 9 yards. But if he'd tossed the ball to Davis who was right in front of him, Davis might've run for almost 20.
2nd & 1 at NE 38
(4:07 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short middle to C.West to NE 32 for 6 yards (R.Ninkovich).

1st & 10 at NE 32
(3:30 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith scrambles left end ran ob at NE 26 for 6 yards.
(3:30 - 4th) Timeout #2 by NE at 03:30.

2nd & 4 at NE 26
(3:30 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith scrambles up the middle to NE 20 for 6 yards (J.Sheard).
No pressure. NE playing zone, Kelce is open for the first, Conley is wide open for a 20 yard gain/TD. Even 12 is open on the crosser for at least 10 yards.

1st & 10 at NE 20
(3:00 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith pass short left to A.Wilson to NE 1 for 19 yards (M.Butler).
Alex finally makes the throw to the right guy, but he's late; he waits until 12 has finished his break and has to nearly stop approaching the sideline. Thrown at the break, this is a TD.
1st & Goal at NE 1
(2:33 - 4th) (No Huddle) C.West right guard to NE 2 for -1 yards (J.Sheard; D.Watson).
The rest of this is just Andy trying to work around Alex.
(2:00 - 4th) Two-Minute Warning

2nd & Goal at NE 2
(2:00 - 4th) (Shotgun) PENALTY on KC-E.Fisher, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at NE 2 - No Play.

2nd & Goal at NE 7
(2:00 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short right to J.Avant to NE 3 for 4 yards (L.Ryan).

3rd & Goal at NE 3
(1:22 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete short right to J.Avant. PENALTY on NE-L.Ryan, Defensive Pass Interference, 2 yards, enforced at NE 3 - No Play.

1st & Goal at NE 1
(1:22 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete short left to C.Conley.

2nd & Goal at NE 1
(1:13 - 4th) Charcandrick West 1 Yard Rush C.Santos extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Winchester, Holder-D.Colquitt.

So if you just add up the yards of the passes that Alex should've completed for the first 6 plays or so, the Chiefs should've been inside the 5-yard line or scored a TD, within 1:52-2:04 minutes. All of those were pretty easy passes for any QB of Alex's arm talent. All within 20-25 yards.

That would've left about 4:30 on the clock for the Chiefs to try and get the ball back and score again. Not a guarantee, but it would've been a chance.

And I'm not necessarily saying that Alex cocked it up either. We don't know if Wilson/Conley/Davis whoever would've caught all of those balls even if Alex had thrown them. But what I am saying is that he never gave them a chance. That's not on Andy. Or at least it's not ALL on Andy.

Sweet! An eleventy billion word dissertation just to say "Alex sucks".
Next time just say, "Alex sucks".

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Dead.
****ing.
Serious:

Who's on the market? Would we have some legit choices?
A cow this mother****er may be, but sacred he is NOT.
Not yet anyway.
.

You get the same candidates everybody else does. Whoever is available and willing right now is an option to you in this hypothetical.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

You get the same candidates everybody else does. Whoever is available and willing right now is an option to you in this hypothetical.

But you said 'at the end of the season', so we'll just have to revisit this. And yeah, I AM bold enough to pull one up from University.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

It's gotten to the point where the guy literally NEEDS the equivalent of a Marcus Allen/Barry Sanders with glue hands to make it happen in any convincing manner. Mahomes is incredible no doubt, but having Hunt( briefly )was God's gift to Reid AND Pat.

To your point on the red zone:
All I know is that prior to Mahomes, the red zone might as well have been the nosebleed section shitter for all the good it was worth. "The field goal quadrant" or "rectangle of rectumology" was as pertinent as a Timex endorsement for the head coach.

Great, now I have to dig through a bunch of stats and look at a bunch of film to disprove this nonsense. Thanks.


Sweet! An eleventy billion word dissertation just to say "Alex sucks".
Next time just say, "Alex sucks".

[Sigh]. You know damned well I can't just say "Alex sucks" (which I never said btw, what I said was that Alex didn't play up to his opportunities on that drive).

If I just say "Alex sucks," then you and your Andy-haters club just come back with the same nonsense Jimmy posted, just a non-evidenced-based "feeling" that you and they came up with, and some old article by some ESPN/FOXSports talking head.

To argue against this obstinacy I'm forced to break down a 16-play drive from 2016 to disprove the idea that Andy called that monstrosity because he lacked the situational awareness to know there was only 6 minutes on the clock.

I have to break down these dumb ideas piece by piece in triplicate, before any of you will even try to see reality.

But I'm glad you finally are beginning to see the light. One tiny step for you, one giant leap for Andy-haters on CP.

[Lilmrp117]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

[Sigh]. You know damned well I can't just say "Alex sucks" (which I never said btw, what I said was that Alex didn't play up to his opportunities on that drive).

If I just say "Alex sucks," then you and your Andy-haters club just come back with the same nonsense Jimmy posted, just a non-evidenced-based "feeling" that you and they came up with, and some old article by some ESPN/FOXSports talking head.

To argue against this obstinacy I'm forced to break down a 16-play drive from 2016 to disprove the idea that Andy called that monstrosity because he lacked the situational awareness to know there was only 6 minutes on the clock.

I have to break down these dumb ideas piece by piece in triplicate, before any of you will even try to see reality.

But I'm glad you finally are beginning to see the light. One tiny step for you, one giant leap for Andy-haters on CP.

Andy absolutely lacked the situational awareness. You are arguing against Andy himself. Andy himself defended this drive by saying that it was not too slow and that it was more important to call the right plays than to do it quickly. What the fat tard failed to understand (and still fails to understand) is that he needed to do both since a score is pointless if it takes up pretty much all of the remaining time.

If Andy did not lack the situational awareness, then he could have easily said his same old crap like "We needed to get the ball down the field quicker. That's on me. I'll get it fixed." But no, the idiot defended that drive proving that he still does not get it.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...dled-it-right/

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Lilmrp117

Andy absolutely lacked the situational awareness. You are arguing against Andy himself. Andy himself defended this drive by saying that it was not too slow and that it was more important to call the right plays than to do it quickly. What the fat tard failed to understand (and still fails to understand) is that he needed to do both since a score is pointless if it takes up pretty much all of the remaining time.

If Andy did not lack the situational awareness, then he could have easily said his same old crap like "We needed to get the ball down the field quicker. That's on me. I'll get it fixed." But no, the idiot defended that drive proving that he still does not get it.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...dled-it-right/

Oh for Pete's sake.

What do you think he was going to do? Throw Alex under the bus? He couldn't say "well, we missed some opportunities to get the ball into the EZ quicker," or something similar, because then what he'd really being saying to his own team would be "Alex and the offense folded under pressure." And Andy is never going to throw his QB under the bus. He didn't with McNabb in PHI when it was obvious that Don made bad decisions/throws. Never.

Again, all you have to do is look at the actual drive. Don't look at where Alex throws the ball; look at the play design and see who's open.

See where the the play itself dictates where the ball probably should've gone. Look at the pressure or lack thereof, and see how Alex reacts.

On almost every play there was a much better option than where Alex actually threw the ball. Alex literally bails on the play as designed at least three times on that drive; he never gives the play a chance to develop. And on another play, he bails out to his right when he clearly should've simply stepped up into the pocket to avoid the pressure off the edge.

If Andy meant for that drive to go 16 plays, then why did he even include all of those plays in the first 6 that would've put them on the GL or in the EZ? Why not simply run 16 plays very similar to the 9th play that featured all short comebacks?

Does it make any sense at all to feature 6 plays in a row that create wide open opportunities for receivers at least 20 yards downfield if you really want to matriculate down the field 7 yards at a time?


Put it to you another way. With about 6 minutes left in the game, have you ever heard of a coach say, "lets' take 5 minutes to get a score so we only leave ourselves 1:30 to get the ball back and score again." Ever in the history of football at any level.

Use your eyes, people. Don't take the word of some pundit or believe some coachspeak after the fact.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

[Sigh]. You know damned well I can't just say "Alex sucks" (which I never said btw, what I said was that Alex didn't play up to his opportunities on that drive).

If I just say "Alex sucks," then you and your Andy-haters club just come back with the same nonsense Jimmy posted, just a non-evidenced-based "feeling" that you and they came up with, and some old article by some ESPN/FOXSports talking head.

To argue against this obstinacy I'm forced to break down a 16-play drive from 2016 to disprove the idea that Andy called that monstrosity because he lacked the situational awareness to know there was only 6 minutes on the clock.

I have to break down these dumb ideas piece by piece in triplicate, before any of you will even try to see reality.

But I'm glad you finally are beginning to see the light. One tiny step for you, one giant leap for Andy-haters on CP.

You absolutely just said that Alex sucks.

In a very, very, very long and roundabout way, but yes indeed you did. And that's quite okay because Alex Smith did, does, and always will suck.

As to this "light" you speak of, the onry right I shee ish oncoming right at eend of tunnel, where "Fatty-Fatty-Boom-Ba-Ratty Express" rhuns ALLLLLLLL ovah Riddle' Cheefy when Ahndee vineesh-a croaching prayoff game!

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

You absolutely just said that Alex sucks.

In a very, very, very long and roundabout way, but yes indeed you did. And that's quite okay because Alex Smith did, does, and always will suck.

As to this "light" you speak of, the onry right I shee ish oncoming right at eend of tunnel, where "Fatty-Fatty-Boom-Ba-Ratty Express" rhuns ALLLLLLLL ovah Riddle' Cheefy when Ahndee vineesh-a croaching prayoff game!

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you don't know that I'm Korean.

[Kiimo]

Oof maybe that Engrish wasn't the best idea SDH

[Lilmrp117]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Oh for Pete's sake.

What do you think he was going to do? Throw Alex under the bus? He couldn't say "well, we missed some opportunities to get the ball into the EZ quicker," or something similar, because then what he'd really being saying to his own team would be "Alex and the offense folded under pressure." And Andy is never going to throw his QB under the bus. He didn't with McNabb in PHI when it was obvious that Don made bad decisions/throws. Never.

Again, all you have to do is look at the actual drive. Don't look at where Alex throws the ball; look at the play design and see who's open.

See where the the play itself dictates where the ball probably should've gone. Look at the pressure or lack thereof, and see how Alex reacts.

On almost every play there was a much better option than where Alex actually threw the ball. Alex literally bails on the play as designed at least three times on that drive; he never gives the play a chance to develop. And on another play, he bails out to his right when he clearly should've simply stepped up into the pocket to avoid the pressure off the edge.

If Andy meant for that drive to go 16 plays, then why did he even include all of those plays in the first 6 that would've put them on the GL or in the EZ? Why not simply run 16 plays very similar to the 9th play that featured all short comebacks?

Does it make any sense at all to feature 6 plays in a row that create wide open opportunities for receivers at least 20 yards downfield if you really want to matriculate down the field 7 yards at a time?

Use your eyes, people. Don't take the word of some pundit or believe some coachspeak after the fact.

This was NOT coachspeak. I already told you what he could have said. He could have admitted that the drive was a failure without throwing Alex under the bus. He routinely does this by saying that whatever the failure is needs to improve and he will fix it. Same thing here - just say "We took too long to score there (or we need to score more quickly in that situation) and that's on me. I'll get it fixed." That takes responsibility for the failure without throwing the QB under the bus. Andy knows how to do this as it is his trademark.

What is crazy is that Andy actually goes out of his way to defend how long it took to score. This defense was not needed at all to keep from throwing Alex or anyone else under the bus.

Usually, the man takes responsibility even for things that are not his fault. What does it say when he refuses to take responsibility for something like this? It shows that he truly believes that there was nothing wrong with taking that much time, which makes sense because it explains how he can coach for 20 years and still screw up time management.

All these years, I've heard Eagles fans and Chiefs fans say "How can he coach that long and still screw up time management?" The answer is that he doesn't recognize there is a problem and thinks his approach is right even after numerous failures. Let's just hope we beat teams solidly and do not need some great time management on our way to the super bowl this year because there is no way Andy has learned his lesson when he wouldn't even admit the problem.