Tesla Cybertruck

[DaFace]

Well, he said it was going to be different.

The #Cybertruck, Tesla’s all-new electric pickup truck, is here, and it can take a sledgehammer to the door while nary a dent. The all-electric pickup will offer up to 500 miles of range and start at $39,000. https://t.co/7a8YBicIkC

— WIRED (@WIRED) November 22, 2019

Starts at $40k, though. That's impressive.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by R Clark

You are pretty rational guy and I enjoy reading your posts but your way off base on this power supply. I have a couple of windmills on some of my land and I’d advise you to do some research before you believe in them. If it wasn’t for govt subsidies they wouldn’t be a thing, I’ll go on cashing the checks but it’s a joke. I’ve also spent a good chunk of my life building power house’s of all kinds , while we’ve cleaned coal up it must not be good enough as we couldn’t get permits to build a new one here in Ks . They won’t build any new nukes so I don’t know where all this new energy is going to come from if they shut the oil down. I can damn sure promise you it ain’t coming from solar or wind, no matter how much of that smoke they want to try and blow up your ass.I also have oil production and if shit don’t change pretty quick all of are oil producers are going to be broke at these prices.

This is wildly inaccurate. So much so that I question so the claims you make, including having them on your land. Seems motivated by a chosen narrative by a dishonest actor.

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[aturnis]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

We put a $100 deposit on the dual motor Cybertruck.



Here is the deal with Tesla, yes its great you don't need gas and when we purchased our model 3 dual motor last year our electric bill only went up about $8-15 per month vs. $200 plus we payed each month for gas for the wife Porsche Cay...



With that said once she purchased it and we got to drive it around a while its absolutely amazing. The crazy thing about Teslas is that they become better the longer you own them. They continue to add new features to them every couple of months that actually make them a better car!!?



I mean how many other autos are being made that add new features that are downloaded into your car as the year goes on?



I wasn't sold on Tesla before owning one but now my wife said the only car she wants from now on is a Tesla. They are really amazing auto's and if you haven't owned one that its hard to explain.

Same experience here. Fiance wasn't sold. Said it could be the second car and keep a gasser for trips. Until she road tripped in the Tesla and drove it for a couple years. Now she begs for a second one.

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[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

After reading several articles including the one you posted it seems like they are a push at best at this point but that they could get better. When you figure in the smelting of the batteries and the mining and other procedures to get these rare minerals to make these batteries and other products it is not so much a wash.

They could also improve on the ICE and make it much better as well. We have seen that this has been done and more could be done as well.

It's but even close to a wash. EV production pollution ROI is only like 2 years compared to ICE.

What kind of mental gymnastics?

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[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Other than when you have to replace the batteries which is about $10k or the performance module which is $3k.

This ain't true either. At this point, Tesla expects their batteries to outlast the car. Even still, if you did need to replace the battery, battery costs are set to fall in cost for years to come as supply chains grow and economies of scale and competition takes hold.

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[aturnis]

Originally Posted by R Clark

I don’t know shit about solar, it may be the thing that works? Wind damn sure ain’t the answer they are wore out by the time they’ve paid for them selfs. If you have drove by any wind farms you will notice quite a few not in operation and it’s not because the winds not blowing they are shut down for service.

They are locked out become they'd be putting excess energy on the grid. Maintenance ain't terribly high, and to rebuild one isn't terrible expensive.

Stop using conventional knowledge. It's the worst kind of knowledge.

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[scho63]

I could be wrong but I think Tesla is going to surprise people with a different design truck they will unveil just before launch that won't look like it was recycled from Robocop

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by RedRaider56

Yeah, I realize that wind turbines are not the answer. without government subsidies, they payback on them is god awful and like you said, they break down all the time. My wife's cousin, who was a trained AF F-16 mechanic, now does maintenance on those turbines. She is on the road all the dang time repairing/maintaining those things.

She's on the road b/c they're spread out, they are where they are. She's maintaining them b/c it's her job. They aren't broken down, they're getting preventative maintenance like any power plant.

How many of you work on construction and actually understand any of this? Do you understand that fossil fuel plants have large onsite maintenance crews that are there 24/7 365 for the entire lifetime of the plant? It that in addition to those in house maintenance crews, 3rd party contractors are hired on for extremely large contracts to do the heavy lifting?

Not to mention the incredibly bureaucratic security crews associated with such sites? Even if you've worked there 30 years they inspect the bottom of your car with a motor in a stick each and every time you come/go. These things largely don't exist for wind/solar.

What problem do conservation old men have against democratically distributed solar production that gives $, independence and power to the people? Y'all are wild.

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[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

That is one job I would not want. Not a fan of having to work 400 feet in the air.

I've always been afraid of heights. Until my job took me up there. The danger is thrilling!

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[aturnis]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

CA hasn't had rolling brown outs since Enron. Maybe every now and then an area goes down. But nothing systematic like when Enron was gaming the system.

Sounds like most times anymore it's PGE shutting down due to high winds and fire potential due to drought.

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[backinblack]

Kind of surprised Ford isn't building those Maverick trucks with an electric option. They are pretty popular, seeing quite a few of them now, only thing that's limiting them is how fast Ford can build them. Suppose they are keeping a door open for an electric Maverick in the future, I think it would sell well.

[mr. tegu]

I was wanting to get the electric F-150 but it just was going to be too hard to come by and I couldn’t wait for the Chevy. I ended up with the Honda Ridgeline and it’s plenty of truck for most people I’m sure and for me is far superior to other 4X4s in its class because of the truck bed and interior space. It was interesting watching reviews comparing it to other trucks and basically it performs right along side them anyways, only real difference being not as much ground clearance. I love it so far.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by MTG#10

I recently bought a decent amount of F stock in anticipation of this.

They might make it, but the task of phasing out the entirely of your IP assets while investing heavily into something you'll lose money on to be competitive will beat tough one.

Not to mention you either convert current factories into inefficient/expensive new factories and literally 75%+ of your workforce is worthless moving forward.

It'll be tough. Ford already reorganized in preparation to dump the ICE business before it goes belly up. They are in a much better position that GM. GM made the decision to move earlier/faster, but got way out ahead of their skis. If they keep it up with the self inflicted wounds, they won't make it.



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[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by backinblack

Kind of surprised Ford isn't building those Maverick trucks with an electric option. They are pretty popular, seeing quite a few of them now, only thing that's limiting them is how fast Ford can build them. Suppose they are keeping a door open for an electric Maverick in the future, I think it would sell well.

I test drove one with every intention of buying before going in, but that thing is tiny. The back seat is basically unusable. The bed is useful for certain things, but ultimately can’t handle much in the way of differently shapes items or furniture. It would be pretty good for people without kids or maybe older people with a small boat or who still need to go to Home Depot or whatever for yard work or hobbies.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by backinblack

find it kind of funny Ford being this ambitious with new tech when they can barely build cars right now due to the chip shortage. I know it's not their fault but man, the shortage couldn't have happened at a worse time for them.

They don't have a choice. It's 100% electric by 2030 or cease to exist. They are doing the right thing. Unfortunately range and cost will be big issues. Not to mention negative margins.

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[aturnis]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

230 or 300 mile range in ideal conditions is quite restricting, if you are towing anything it is probably quite a bit less. Good for the suburban truck guy, not much else.

Agree. Great truck for a contractor though. Lower fuel and maintenance costs. More room for tools and onboard available jobsite power.

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