Chiefs Andy Reid appreciation thread - Page 32

Hammock Parties · 10-01-2018, 10:51 PM

The guy could easily have tried to pump his superstar QB by throwing on the goal line at the end of the game.

He did the smart thing and pounded it three times for the ****ing win.

Word to your mother, Pete Carroll.

Oh, and he has mind control over the AFC West. 18-1 in his last 19.

Jimmya · 01-06-2020, 07:58 PM

Have to love the "regardless what happens in the playoffs" Same dudes that kept saying "its not Sutton, it's the players" lol and where is Sutton now?

Chris Meck · 01-06-2020, 07:59 PM

Fat JimmyA is right up there with Uchieffy****er.

Megatron96 · 01-06-2020, 08:01 PM

So because I like to be thorough I actually went back and watched the 16-play drive from 2016 that Jimmy referenced as an example of Andy Reid's terrible play-calling/time management issues. Alex Smith is the QB. My comments are in red. And here's what I found:

1st & 10 at KC 20
(6:29 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith scrambles right end ran ob at KC 22 for 2 yards.
12 gets open at the top of his route and is just a 17 yard pass or so which could've gone for 20+; Alex elects not to throw.
2nd & 8 at KC 22
(6:00 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete deep right to A.Wilson (M.Butler).
17 is wide open in the middle of the field for at least 15 yards, probably more with YAC, Alex feels a little pressure from the MLB but he's picked up by the C, and scrambles to his right, throws to 12 who's covered.
3rd & 8 at KC 22
(5:52 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short left to C.Conley to KC 38 for 16 yards (J.Coleman).
This is actually a nice anticipation throw by Alex. Delivers the ball right after Conley makes his break.
1st & 10 at KC 38
(5:21 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete deep right to A.Wilson.
Alex throws this out of bounds. 12 never ha a chance to catch this ball.
2nd & 10 at KC 38
(5:16 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short right to C.Conley ran ob at KC 40 for 2 yards.
Alex completes this pass, but he takes so long to deliver it that Conley is forced to come back; should've gone for at least 10 yards, not 2.
3rd & 8 at KC 40
(4:51 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete short left to K.Davis.
Alex feels pressure up the middle, bails out right and throws short at Davis.
4th & 8 at KC 40
(4:42 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short middle to J.Avant to NE 47 for 13 yards (L.Ryan).
This is another good pass by Alex on time and well-placed.
1st & 10 at NE 47
(4:17 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith scrambles left end pushed ob at NE 38 for 9 yards (D.Hightower).
This is a head-scratcher for a couple reasons. Alex has a couple places to go with this one, and is well-protected, but opts to run for 9 yards. But if he'd tossed the ball to Davis who was right in front of him, Davis might've run for almost 20.
2nd & 1 at NE 38
(4:07 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short middle to C.West to NE 32 for 6 yards (R.Ninkovich).

1st & 10 at NE 32
(3:30 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith scrambles left end ran ob at NE 26 for 6 yards.
(3:30 - 4th) Timeout #2 by NE at 03:30.

2nd & 4 at NE 26
(3:30 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith scrambles up the middle to NE 20 for 6 yards (J.Sheard).
No pressure. NE playing zone, Kelce is open for the first, Conley is wide open for a 20 yard gain/TD. Even 12 is open on the crosser for at least 10 yards.

1st & 10 at NE 20
(3:00 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith pass short left to A.Wilson to NE 1 for 19 yards (M.Butler).
Alex finally makes the throw to the right guy, but he's late; he waits until 12 has finished his break and has to nearly stop approaching the sideline. Thrown at the break, this is a TD.
1st & Goal at NE 1
(2:33 - 4th) (No Huddle) C.West right guard to NE 2 for -1 yards (J.Sheard; D.Watson).
The rest of this is just Andy trying to work around Alex.
(2:00 - 4th) Two-Minute Warning

2nd & Goal at NE 2
(2:00 - 4th) (Shotgun) PENALTY on KC-E.Fisher, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at NE 2 - No Play.

2nd & Goal at NE 7
(2:00 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short right to J.Avant to NE 3 for 4 yards (L.Ryan).

3rd & Goal at NE 3
(1:22 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete short right to J.Avant. PENALTY on NE-L.Ryan, Defensive Pass Interference, 2 yards, enforced at NE 3 - No Play.

1st & Goal at NE 1
(1:22 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete short left to C.Conley.

2nd & Goal at NE 1
(1:13 - 4th) Charcandrick West 1 Yard Rush C.Santos extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Winchester, Holder-D.Colquitt.

So if you just add up the yards of the passes that Alex should've completed for the first 6 plays or so, the Chiefs should've been inside the 5-yard line or scored a TD, within 1:52-2:04 minutes. All of those were pretty easy passes for any QB of Alex's arm talent. All within 20-25 yards.

That would've left about 4:30 on the clock for the Chiefs to try and get the ball back and score again. Not a guarantee, but it would've been a chance.

And I'm not necessarily saying that Alex cocked it up either. We don't know if Wilson/Conley/Davis whoever would've caught all of those balls even if Alex had thrown them. But what I am saying is that he never gave them a chance. That's not on Andy. Or at least it's not ALL on Andy.

Hammock Parties · 01-06-2020, 08:03 PM

The problems with that team were never Andy.

Always Alex.

staylor26 · 01-06-2020, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The problems with that team were never Andy.

Always Alex.

And the fact that we legitimately had a chance to beat the Pats in their house was impressive in itself. We were really banged up in that game.

Jimmya · 01-06-2020, 08:08 PM

"18-pt halftime blown leads in the playoffs in the Super Bowl era:
- Andy Reid with Chiefs: 2
- Every other coach combined: 2"

Megatron96 · 01-06-2020, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmya

"18-pt halftime blown leads in the playoffs in the Super Bowl era:
- Andy Reid with Chiefs: 2
- Every other coach combined: 2"

So what you're saying is that you can't analyze film. Got it. 'Nuff said.

staylor26 · 01-06-2020, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmya

"18-pt halftime blown leads in the playoffs in the Super Bowl era:
- Andy Reid with Chiefs: 2
- Every other coach combined: 2"

We don’t care about the Smith/Sutton days.

We have Mahomes and Spags now.

Andy Reid has some great stats too. Look and see how many times a Belichick D has given up 40. Then see how many of them are Andy Reid.

And he put up 31 last year in the AFCCG. Would’ve been 38 if Pat didn’t miss Williams in the 1st half. Would’ve won the game for us too, just like Ford not lining up offsides. Two things that had nothing to do with Andy.

Funny how people like you and the talking heads don’t include that in your narrative.

gold_and_red · 01-06-2020, 08:19 PM

This thread is going to be lit if Reid loses to O'Brien.

staylor26 · 01-06-2020, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gold_and_red

This thread is going to be lit if Reid loses to O'Brien.

You sound like you’re rooting for that to happen bundle of sticks.

staylor26 · 01-06-2020, 08:29 PM

The Eagles didn’t lose the SB because of Andy Reid.

They lost for 2 reasons:

1. McNabb was a pussy

2. They had 4 turnovers against BB and Brady (3 of which were McNabb INT’s)

The fact that they weren’t blown out turning the ball over that much means they were well coached otherwise.

And that’s easily the best QB Andy ever had before Mahomes. That says a lot.

Dee Ford and Donovan McNabb are the reasons Andy Reid doesn’t have a SB and that narrative isn’t dead.

gold_and_red · 01-06-2020, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

You sound like you’re rooting for that to happen pillowbitergot.

I wasn't but maybe I should just to see how you explain it away dumas!

Jimmya · 01-06-2020, 08:36 PM

And he still got fired... Same will happen in KC if he can't win the big one sooner than later.

Naptown Chief · 01-06-2020, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmya

And he still got fired... Same will happen in KC if he can't win the big one sooner than later.

In favor of...?

staylor26 · 01-06-2020, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Naptown Chief

In favor of...?

A clock management specialist.

10-01-2018, 10:51 PM
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01-06-2020, 07:58 PM	#466
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01-06-2020, 08:01 PM	#468
Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: North Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-159600	So because I like to be thorough I actually went back and watched the 16-play drive from 2016 that Jimmy referenced as an example of Andy Reid's terrible play-calling/time management issues. Alex Smith is the QB. My comments are in red. And here's what I found: 1st & 10 at KC 20 (6:29 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith scrambles right end ran ob at KC 22 for 2 yards. 12 gets open at the top of his route and is just a 17 yard pass or so which could've gone for 20+; Alex elects not to throw. 2nd & 8 at KC 22 (6:00 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete deep right to A.Wilson (M.Butler). 17 is wide open in the middle of the field for at least 15 yards, probably more with YAC, Alex feels a little pressure from the MLB but he's picked up by the C, and scrambles to his right, throws to 12 who's covered. 3rd & 8 at KC 22 (5:52 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short left to C.Conley to KC 38 for 16 yards (J.Coleman). This is actually a nice anticipation throw by Alex. Delivers the ball right after Conley makes his break. 1st & 10 at KC 38 (5:21 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete deep right to A.Wilson. Alex throws this out of bounds. 12 never ha a chance to catch this ball. 2nd & 10 at KC 38 (5:16 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short right to C.Conley ran ob at KC 40 for 2 yards. Alex completes this pass, but he takes so long to deliver it that Conley is forced to come back; should've gone for at least 10 yards, not 2. 3rd & 8 at KC 40 (4:51 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete short left to K.Davis. Alex feels pressure up the middle, bails out right and throws short at Davis. 4th & 8 at KC 40 (4:42 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short middle to J.Avant to NE 47 for 13 yards (L.Ryan). This is another good pass by Alex on time and well-placed. 1st & 10 at NE 47 (4:17 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith scrambles left end pushed ob at NE 38 for 9 yards (D.Hightower). This is a head-scratcher for a couple reasons. Alex has a couple places to go with this one, and is well-protected, but opts to run for 9 yards. But if he'd tossed the ball to Davis who was right in front of him, Davis might've run for almost 20. 2nd & 1 at NE 38 (4:07 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short middle to C.West to NE 32 for 6 yards (R.Ninkovich). 1st & 10 at NE 32 (3:30 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith scrambles left end ran ob at NE 26 for 6 yards. (3:30 - 4th) Timeout #2 by NE at 03:30. 2nd & 4 at NE 26 (3:30 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith scrambles up the middle to NE 20 for 6 yards (J.Sheard). No pressure. NE playing zone, Kelce is open for the first, Conley is wide open for a 20 yard gain/TD. Even 12 is open on the crosser for at least 10 yards. 1st & 10 at NE 20 (3:00 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith pass short left to A.Wilson to NE 1 for 19 yards (M.Butler). Alex finally makes the throw to the right guy, but he's late; he waits until 12 has finished his break and has to nearly stop approaching the sideline. Thrown at the break, this is a TD. 1st & Goal at NE 1 (2:33 - 4th) (No Huddle) C.West right guard to NE 2 for -1 yards (J.Sheard; D.Watson). The rest of this is just Andy trying to work around Alex. (2:00 - 4th) Two-Minute Warning 2nd & Goal at NE 2 (2:00 - 4th) (Shotgun) PENALTY on KC-E.Fisher, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at NE 2 - No Play. 2nd & Goal at NE 7 (2:00 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short right to J.Avant to NE 3 for 4 yards (L.Ryan). 3rd & Goal at NE 3 (1:22 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete short right to J.Avant. PENALTY on NE-L.Ryan, Defensive Pass Interference, 2 yards, enforced at NE 3 - No Play. 1st & Goal at NE 1 (1:22 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete short left to C.Conley. 2nd & Goal at NE 1 (1:13 - 4th) Charcandrick West 1 Yard Rush C.Santos extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Winchester, Holder-D.Colquitt. So if you just add up the yards of the passes that Alex should've completed for the first 6 plays or so, the Chiefs should've been inside the 5-yard line or scored a TD, within 1:52-2:04 minutes. All of those were pretty easy passes for any QB of Alex's arm talent. All within 20-25 yards. That would've left about 4:30 on the clock for the Chiefs to try and get the ball back and score again. Not a guarantee, but it would've been a chance. And I'm not necessarily saying that Alex cocked it up either. We don't know if Wilson/Conley/Davis whoever would've caught all of those balls even if Alex had thrown them. But what I am saying is that he never gave them a chance. That's not on Andy. Or at least it's not ALL on Andy. Last edited by Megatron96; 01-06-2020 at 08:11 PM..
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01-06-2020, 08:03 PM	#469
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staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-320960	The Eagles didn’t lose the SB because of Andy Reid. They lost for 2 reasons: 1. McNabb was a pussy 2. They had 4 turnovers against BB and Brady (3 of which were McNabb INT’s) The fact that they weren’t blown out turning the ball over that much means they were well coached otherwise. And that’s easily the best QB Andy ever had before Mahomes. That says a lot. Dee Ford and Donovan McNabb are the reasons Andy Reid doesn’t have a SB and that narrative isn’t dead.
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01-06-2020, 08:36 PM	#478
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