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MagicHef · 09-07-2022, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He's never thrown for 5000 yards or 50 TD's in a season either.

Safe is safe.

Wilson has averaged 29 passing TDs per season for his career. The Broncos have never had 29 passing TDs in a season without Elway or Manning.

Wilson has averaged 33 passing TDs per season over the last 5 years. The Broncos have never had 33 passing TDs in a season without Manning.

Coochie liquor · 09-07-2022, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

10 turnovers. 7 INTs. Maybe you can figure it out.

BTW, in the corresponding 4 game stretch by Mahomes, he had 2 fumbles, so just one fewer than Wilson.

Sweet, now do the record of their teams during those games!

Coochie liquor · 09-07-2022, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Speaking of regression (passer rating by year):

Again dumb****. What’s their records in those games?

htismaqe · 09-07-2022, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Wilson has averaged 29 passing TDs per season for his career. The Broncos have never had 29 passing TDs in a season without Elway or Manning.

Wilson has averaged 33 passing TDs per season over the last 5 years. The Broncos have never had 33 passing TDs in a season without Manning.

Enjoy your Alex Smith.

MagicHef · 09-07-2022, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Bottom line....you cherrypicked a stretch that still fell short by two turnovers. What a mic drop!

Nevermind that it was an unprecedented period of crappy luck and most of those throws were actually on the money. Call it an excuse, yada yada....bottom line is that Mahomes has proven himself before and after. It's not likely to happen again.

What you're failing to see is that this was the period during which Russ got what he wanted. They finally "let Russ cook!" And that's what happened. If KC had unleashed Mahomes and that was the result, maybe your comparison would make a little sense.

Of course I cherrypicked a stretch of Mahomes' games to compare to the cherrypicked stretch of Wilson's games. Why wouldn't I?

Interesting that those 4 games are the ones where Russ got what he wanted, not the 5 games before where he went 5-0 with 19 TDs and 3 INTs.

MagicHef · 09-07-2022, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Enjoy your Alex Smith.

Alex Smith has never thrown for 29 TDs in a season in his career.

MagicHef · 09-07-2022, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

Sweet, now do the record of their teams during those games!

Wilson went 1-3 in those games in the middle of a 12-4 season.

Mahomes went 2-2 in those games (3-4 if we extend it over his 7 game turnover stretch) in the middle of a 12-5 season.

What's your point?

Coochie liquor · 09-07-2022, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He's never thrown for 5000 yards or 50 TD's in a season either.

Safe is safe.

Or gotten a single MVP vote.

Quesadilla Joe · 09-07-2022, 02:42 PM

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So, about those plans. Wilson is a big visualizer. He manifests the things he wants to happen. Knowing this, on a hot training camp day in the Denver suburbs last month, I asked Russ why he chose to waive his no-trade clause to join the Broncos—and what he visualized when he contemplated coming to Denver. Wilson answered by holding out his hands, palms toward the ground, gazing at his own knuckles.

“Filling up my fingers,” Wilson said. He was admiring the Super Bowl rings that only he could see. I asked him which hand the rings would go on.

“Hopefully both,” Wilson said with a smirk.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2022/9...ks-quarterback

ToxSocks · 09-07-2022, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Of course I cherrypicked a stretch of Mahomes' games to compare to the cherrypicked stretch of Wilson's games. Why wouldn't I?

Interesting that those 4 games are the ones where Russ got what he wanted, not the 5 games before where he went 5-0 with 19 TDs and 3 INTs.

Context of course always matters. So lets add some context since you think these things are comparable.

Wilson has been more or less a game manager most of his career. Hence his issues with Seattle. He wanted to throw more. When they finally allowed him to open up the passing attack, he became a turnover machine and Carrol subsequently throttled him down.

In Russ's limited time "airing it out", he was shut down because he couldn't stop turning the ball over. Thus, there's nothing to suggest he can lead a dominant aerial attack w/o a play action/run game. When he tried, he failed.

Mahomes OTOH has always aired it out. No run game. No play action. He IS the focal point of the offense. When he had a stretch of turnovers, we can definatively say it was just that....a stretch. Which is not the case for Wilson.

The context here is entirely different.

I love car analogies.

Mahomes is a Ferarri that regularly goes past 150MPH. In the event that our Ferrari didn't hit 150, we knew it was something that needed fixed, not a limitation on the car.

Wilson, for all we know, is a Nissan Sentra. For the most part, it can't do 150. It never has before. When we asked it to, it shook, rattled and fell apart. There's no prior history of your Sentra doing 150 where we can say, "oh it just needs fixed". It's more a matter of the car simply not being built to handle that kind of performance.

Coochie liquor · 09-07-2022, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Wilson went 1-3 in those games in the middle of a 12-4 season.

Mahomes went 2-2 in those games (3-4 if we extend it over his 7 game turnover stretch) in the middle of a 12-5 season.

What's your point?

The end result. Playoff wins that season.

RaidersOftheCellar · 09-07-2022, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Context of course always matters. So lets add some context since you think these things are comparable.

Wilson has been more or less a game manager most of his career. Hence his issues with Seattle. He wanted to throw more. When they finally allowed him to open up the passing attack, he became a turnover machine and Carrol subsequently throttled him down.

In Russ's limited time "airing it out", he was shut down because he couldn't stop turning the ball over. Thus, there's nothing to suggest he can lead a dominant aerial attack w/o a play action/run game. When he tried, he failed.

Mahomes OTOH has always aired it out. No run game. No play action. He IS the focal point of the offense. When he had a stretch of turnovers, we can definatively say it was just that....a stretch. Which is not the case for Wilson.

The context here is entirely different.

I love car analogies.

Mahomes is a Ferarri that regularly goes past 150MPH. In the event that our Ferrari didn't hit 150, we knew it was something that needed fixed, not a limitation on the car.

Wilson, for all we know, is a Nissan Sentra. For the most part, it can't do 150. It never has before. When we asked it to, it shook, rattled and fell apart. There's no prior history of your Sentra doing 150 where we can say, "oh it just needs fixed". It's more a matter of the car simply not being built to handle that kind of performance.

RaidersOftheCellar · 09-07-2022, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2022/9...ks-quarterback

So he chose not to manifest more than a single playoff win (vs Josh McCown) in 5 years?

RaidersOftheCellar · 09-07-2022, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Wilson has averaged 29 passing TDs per season for his career. The Broncos have never had 29 passing TDs in a season without Elway or Manning.

Wilson has averaged 33 passing TDs per season over the last 5 years. The Broncos have never had 33 passing TDs in a season without Manning.

29 would have been impressive.....

in the 60s.

Mile High Mania · 09-07-2022, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

29 would have been impressive.....

in the 60s.

29 would have been top 10 the last 2 seasons and top 5 in 2019.

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