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Discussion: All things Broncos.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

In seriousness....has Russack's situation been so different from Mahomes' in recent years?

Defensive points allowed have been very similar (over the last four years, KC's allowed 22.4 ppg, 22.8 for Seattle)

Both have had two very good receiving options.

KC's had an edge at OL, but their run blocking was the worst in the league for a few years and pass blocking was a disaster in 2020.

Seattle has been #7 in the league in rushing yards over those 4 years. KC #18.

In 2018, Wilson had the #1 rushing attack and his D was 11th in PPG. He won 10 games and was bounced in the first round. Mahomes had the #16 rushing attack and the 24th D, lost his star RB midseason, and went 12-4 and was an offside call away from the SB.

Mahomes = 8-3 in the postseason. Mr Limited = 1-3

Thank you, Pay a Ton. Sincerely. Thank you.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by RunKC

We’ll find out exactly how good Paton is with this years and next years draft. We’ll see if he can find a Nick Bolton, Creed Humphrey, Trey Smith or L’Jarius Sneed without a first rd pick

I'm positive he will. Denver needs those positions and I've heard they're very easy to find.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

In seriousness....has Russack's situation been so different from Mahomes' in recent years?

Defensive points allowed have been very similar (over the last four years, KC's allowed 22.4 ppg, 22.8 for Seattle)

Both have had two very good receiving options.

KC's had an edge at OL, but their run blocking was the worst in the league for a few years and pass blocking was a disaster in 2020.

Seattle has been #7 in the league in rushing yards over those 4 years. KC #18.

In 2018, Wilson had the #1 rushing attack and his D was 11th in PPG. He won 10 games and was bounced in the first round. Mahomes had the #16 rushing attack and the 24th D, lost his star RB midseason, and went 12-4 and was an offside call away from the SB.

Mahomes = 8-3 in the postseason. Mr Limited = 1-3

Thank you, Pay a Ton. Sincerely. Thank you.

Pay-a-TON was desperate. He couldn't get Rodgers so he panicked and traded tons of picks for an older qb.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Denver has, arguably, the best secondary in the entire league and a steady stream of edge rushers.

The defense could be a top 3-5 defense this year.

Arguably, one could say that anything is "arguable." Andy Reid is arguably the sexiest man on Earth.

[BlackOp]

The Walton Effect is in full swing....Broncos are now the 3rd best team in the NFL.





"They lost Patrick but are deep at WR"...(Donks remaining WRs accounted for 6 TDs last season). It's just media lie after lie after lie....exactly like the Raiders 2016 drum-up.

Courtland Sutton 776 2 TDs
Jerry Jeudy 467 0 TDS/ 3 career TDs
KJ Hamler 455 3 TD

WR 4,5,6...1 TD and 218 career yards amongst all 3.

Kendall Hinton 155 yards 1 TD
Montrell Washington 5th round rookie
Tyrie Cleveland 63 yards 0 TD

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

The Walton Effect is in full swing....Broncos are now the 3rd best team in the NFL.





"They lost Patrick but are deep at WR"...(Donks remaining WRs accounted for 6 TDs last season). It's just media lie after lie after lie....exactly like the Raiders 2016 drum-up.

Courtland Sutton 776 2 TDs
Jerry Jeudy 467 0 TDS/ 3 career TDs
KJ Hamler 455 3 TD

WR 4,5,6...1 TD and 218 career yards amongst all 3.

Kendall Hinton 155 yards 1 TD
Montrell Washington 5th round rookie
Tyrie Cleveland 63 yards 0 TD

He’s just a Wilson homer. He’d be hyping any team that he went to.

Most people are ranking them closer to middle of the pack.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

The Walton Effect is in full swing....Broncos are now the 3rd best team in the NFL.





"They lost Patrick but are deep at WR"...(Donks remaining WRs accounted for 6 TDs last season). It's just media lie after lie after lie....exactly like the Raiders 2016 drum-up.

Courtland Sutton 776 2 TDs
Jerry Jeudy 467 0 TDS/ 3 career TDs
KJ Hamler 455 3 TD

WR 4,5,6...1 TD and 218 career yards amongst all 3.

Kendall Hinton 155 yards 1 TD
Montrell Washington 5th round rookie
Tyrie Cleveland 63 yards 0 TD

The Donx are just "Hot Take" subject matter. Pick them and you'll get a reaction. Teams that are not very good fit that profile. Once they start playing good teams, it will all subside.

[Mr. Plow]

#5: Folks are WAY too high on the Broncos. First year head coach, questions on the OL, a quarterback coming off his worst year ever, in the toughest division in football. They’ll be happy to finish above .500 for the first time in 6 years.

— nick wright (@getnickwright) September 5, 2022

[dtrain]

Wilson's issues with Seahawks
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...9-nfl-mvp-race

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by dtrain

Wilson's issues with Seahawks
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...9-nfl-mvp-race

What a ****ing pussy.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

#5: Folks are WAY too high on the Broncos. First year head coach, questions on the OL, a quarterback coming off his worst year ever, in the toughest division in football. They’ll be happy to finish above .500 for the first time in 6 years.

— nick wright (@getnickwright) September 5, 2022

My thoughts exactly. IMO their ceiling is 9-8. If their schedule was not set up for a favorable start, I wouldn't even pick them that high. If they screw up out if the gate and lose one of their first two, they'll have trouble finishing above.500. Lose both and they're done.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

There might have been underlying issues behind Wilson's quest for an MVP. Henderson reported Seahawks general manager John Schneider scouted Patrick Mahomes ahead of the 2017 NFL draft and then Josh Allen in 2018.

Per Henderson, people around Wilson were "f--king pissed" the franchise would consider bringing in a potential successor.


They were looking to replace him only a few years after they went to back to back SBs. Tells you all you need to know.

And now his agent has conned Pay a Ton into nearly $50 mil/yr before he's played a single game in a Broncos uniform.

[RunKC]

There might have been underlying issues behind Wilson's quest for an MVP. Henderson reported Seahawks general manager John Schneider scouted Patrick Mahomes ahead of the 2017 NFL draft and then Josh Allen in 2018.

I remember taking about the Seahawks being reeruned trying to replace Wilson with Mahomes or Allen but if they could have made that move it would have been the right one due to age and talent.

But when you look at his playoff performance it really tells a different story. If you look at his playoff performance since Lynch and LOB declined/left, you pretty much see Kirk Cousins or Alex Smith out there.

That’s probably why they didn’t want to pay him

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I remember taking about the Seahawks being reeruned trying to replace Wilson with Mahomes or Allen but if they could have made that move it would have been the right one due to age and talent.

But when you look at his playoff performance it really tells a different story. If you look at his playoff performance since Lynch and LOB declined/left, you pretty much see Kirk Cousins or Alex Smith out there.

That’s probably why they didn’t want to pay him

Yep. They'll bite the bullet this year in order to draft a franchise QB next year, and in a year or two they'll have a better team than Denver, which will be battling perennially for 3rd in their division.

[Hammock Parties]

RUSS SUCKS

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-broncos-trade

Wilson wanted out, believing coach Pete Carroll and the organization were holding him back. And with their own misgivings about how his game was aging, the Seahawks lost faith in Wilson, just as he had lost faith in them.

Wilson's lead on winning his first MVP in 2020 quickly faded when the prolific stretch gave way to the worst turnover funk of his career. Wilson committed 10 over the next four games, and with their defense also faltering, the Seahawks went 1-3.

One of Wilson's seven interceptions in that stretch came in a loss at the Los Angeles Rams in Week 10. Trailing by a touchdown, he scrambled to his right and had a massive swath of empty turf in front of him. He bypassed the rushing yards, uncorking a deep heave back across the field that was picked off in the end zone.

"What are we doing here?" one source in the Seahawks' front office remembers thinking at the time. "Are we trying to win games or are we trying to win MVP?"

Carroll had enough of the turnovers. He pulled the plug on "Let Russ Cook" and reverted to the formula that was ingrained deep within the then-69-year-old coach. After dropping back to pass more than any team over the first 10 weeks, the Seahawks ranked 15th in designed pass rate over the final seven.

But inside team headquarters, concerns were growing about Wilson's legs.

BY THIS POINT, some within the Seahawks believed Wilson's best days were behind him. Their concern wasn't with the finger injury that had sidelined him for three games in 2021. Some believed Wilson's escapability -- one of the traits that made him an elite quarterback worthy of elite money -- was waning.

"He's not as mobile as he used to be," said one source in the Seahawks' front office.

"I just felt like he's a descending player," another front-office source said, citing the same mobility concern. "Is he going to be able to be a true pocket passer at the end of his career and just stand there and drop the ball off to his checkdowns? He's never done that. I can't tell you he's going to be able to do that."

"It's going to get more and more difficult for him to create and do what he used to do ... I do think that's going to be harder," said former Seahawks quarterback Brock Huard, who co-hosted a radio show on Seattle Sports Station 710-AM during most of Wilson's career with the Seahawks. "Is that going to hit in 2022? Probably not. I think this will likely be one of his best years for the Broncos. But will he slow down in '23, '24, '25? Yes.